12:04 am
dofith
Flip. Top row greyed!
12:05 am
sinnergy
anyone have the link to the babble helper app?
12:06 am
cybernan
hello everyone -- I think this is a first having one row blacked out
12:06 am
ursh
well there is rotfl in the grid
12:12 am
Soodle
Cr 7.... (I’m on a roll!!!)
12:17 am
dizgrannie
nbt/nbs
12:18 am
cybernan
struggling with the loners in the right column
12:19 am
licketySplitAUS
Clues are up
12:19 am
Lizlin
Thanks, Lickety
12:19 am
dizgrannie
ne 4, ea 4, es 5
12:19 am
cybernan
all found - ty diz
12:20 am
flosey
thanks Lickety
12:20 am
flosey
and hi everyone
12:20 am
Lizlin
Hi Flosey
12:21 am
cybernan
hi flosey
12:25 am
cybernan
fo 8 x2
12:34 am
cybernan
ty jess - didn't think of pluralizing that
12:43 am
cybernan
missing one 7
12:45 am
sprite
good morning all
12:48 am
cybernan
hi sprite
12:48 am
Kamanjah
Hiya, Sprite! How are you today?
12:49 am
sprite
*hugs Kam* I am okay, thank you. How are you and your beloved? Resting up a little after the grueling hospital day?
12:49 am
cybernan
that would be it, jess
12:50 am
Kamanjah
Yep, he says he feels great today, now that all of the "testing" is behind him. I found some of the tests he said made him "feel stupid" onine last night - they were basically a guessing game. He did just fine!
12:51 am
sprite
that is wonderful. And how about yourself, honey?
12:51 am
Kamanjah
online, that is...
12:52 am
cybernan
too tired to find that ca -- good night everyone
12:52 am
sprite
night nan
12:52 am
Kamanjah
I'm still tired. I did all the driving yesterday, plus all of dinner. I'm so spoiled to him doing part of the cooking! Which he did tonight. I'll be good tomorrow!
12:52 am
Kamanjah
Night, nan, sleep well!
12:53 am
cybernan
found it! :-)
12:53 am
sprite
*hugs Kam* You are a hero, you know. And a very good sign that he felt up to cooking already again today!
12:55 am
flosey
picked up a few but too tired tonight, will et back at it tomorrow, good night all
12:55 am
Kamanjah
He bounces back quickly! Yay him! I think fibro bites longer, but not as hard as PD does. At least there are drugs that are effective part of the time for PD, have found nothing that works for fibro except magnesium.
12:56 am
sprite
*hugs flosey* Good evening, dear lady, and good night. Sleep well :)
12:56 am
Kamanjah
Night Flosey, sweet dreams!
12:56 am
sprite
Kam, you might want to ask rose about that. She is a long time FM sufferer and has found some solutions.
12:58 am
Kamanjah
Medicine in her country is far ahead of the US. Most first world countries are ahead - our FDA is too tied into Big Pharma to be good for regular people
12:59 am
sprite
yeah I know. But there might be some options that are open to you too. I know she just found a new regime that seems to work wonders. Worth checking out!
1:00 am
Kamanjah
I was diagnosed back in 89, am using what is available that works, nothing specific to FM that is ok'd by FDA - the federal dumb a** agency
1:01 am
Kamanjah
I do ok, it just is taking longer to bounce back as I get older
1:02 am
sprite
make sure rose tells you what she is taking right now, Kam. And ask your GP. There might be options that will ease your life... worth checking out, I think :)
1:04 am
Kamanjah
ok, I'll ask her. My GP is really liberal with alternatives, but no infusions happen in this country. My chiropractor is the one who helps most.
1:04 am
Kamanjah
ok, I'll ask her. My GP is really liberal with alternatives, but no infusions happen in this country. My chiropractor is the one who helps most.
1:05 am
sprite
yeah, that is why it occurred to me to tell you. Rose has found meds that might render the infusions unneeded.
1:07 am
Kamanjah
My browser is acting up, need to restart. I don't think I have her email, will check.
1:08 am
sprite
okay :) if you do not have it, I do and I know she is okay with me giving it to you.
1:09 am
sprite
or, I could email her and give her your addy, whichever you prefer
1:11 am
Kamanjah
OK, back, it just fell right out of memory! I think I have her email at gmail - name.xxx# ? Sound right? I didn't put a name on that address in my list.
1:12 am
sprite
yes, that is the one!
1:13 am
Kamanjah
yay! I'll ask.
1:13 am
sprite
it would be awesome if you could benefit from her experience *fingers crossed*
1:14 am
Kamanjah
Always open to new info!
1:15 am
sprite
amen, sistah! Me too. Babble is such a knowledge base, so many different disciplines represented and so many smart people.
1:16 am
Kamanjah
So true! I love the people I've met here. Such a cross section of the world, which no one finds in their own town.
1:16 am
sprite
lol, I think my husband has actually managed to pick the coldest weekend for us to go camping and canoeing. Not only is it freezing quite stiffly, we also have snow now. I am starting to second-guess the wisdom of going.
1:17 am
Kamanjah
I say postpone for safety! DH had me postpone my chiro appt for Thurs due to prediction of lots of snow...and a 55 mile drive each way. I'm going next week instead.
1:18 am
sprite
I agree. And most players are by definition smart people. Also, by far most babblers are nice people. The friendly chog and the helpfulness here are not found in many other internet places
1:19 am
Kamanjah
I've been snowed in at re-enactment events, it's too cold and wet to camp unless you have an RV with a good heater! Canoeing in ice won't work too well if the water freezes...
1:19 am
sprite
I will leave it up to him. He is in the midst of a burnout atm. If he wants to go, I'll go with him and we will brave the elements together. But right now, I kinda hope he will want to postpone.
1:20 am
Kamanjah
You're brave! I'm glad to see you supporting him and his needs tho
1:21 am
sprite
it is a river, flowing rather strongly, so I think it won't be frozen yet. But freezing, ugh. We do not have an RV, just a tent. A tipi, though, and a possibility for a heater inside, so we'll probably be able to heat the tent pretty well. Ah well, we'll see. I gladly be cold for a few days if it means he can do something he truly enjoys.
1:22 am
sprite
always have, always will. It is part of our bond, I think, to always support eachother's dreams and goals.
1:22 am
Kamanjah
A tipi is better than a tent by far, and a river won't hang you in ice as much as our lakes...but I assume it's a safe place as far as rocks and not bottoming out?
1:24 am
Kamanjah
Yes, the bond is special. We were talking about our 'bucket list' places today.
1:24 am
sprite
yes, it is safe that way, although the reason we were going in the first place was the series of rapids there. Not too bad, but with rapids there is always a chance of tipping over. I'd truly hate to be immersed in freezing water, lol
1:24 am
sprite
oh wow. Have you decided on the next one to visit?
1:28 am
Kamanjah
I'm such a weather wimp! I hate wet and cold. No, undecided at the moment, but looking seriously at Alaska. I have to get a passport though, if we have to go thru Canada. I never needed one before because I never had the chance to leave the country...and his just expired. He's already been to several of my bucket list spots - Jerusalem and the pyramids.
1:29 am
Kamanjah
Well, if you go, be safe and don't tip over!
1:29 am
sprite
time to both get your passports then :)
1:30 am
grannyrose
cooee .... that's me {{sprite}} {{kam}} ugs
1:30 am
Kamanjah
I got the forms last week!
1:30 am
sprite
Alaska is cold, but not wet. I have heard it is incredibly beautiful.
1:30 am
Kamanjah
{{rose}}
1:31 am
sprite
*hugs rose* Hello my dear friend :) How was your day and how are you doing?
1:31 am
Kamanjah
He wants to see bears. I want to catch salmon. We'll go in summer when the days are looong
1:31 am
sprite
then better watch out for bears catching salmon
1:33 am
grannyrose
after lenten studies we did a little supermarket shopping, then home to fall in our chairs in front of the A/C
1:33 am
sprite
wise move, honey. Best place to be for the both of you atm.
1:35 am
grannyrose
and i only realised today, saturday we have the church stall at the local supermarket, and i haven't had time to organise anyone else to sell the raffle tickets. *sigh* so it is himself and moi on the tables yet again. grrr
1:36 am
sprite
aw rose, you still have a couple of days. Call some people and shame them into doing something for a change. You need to watch yourself, can't be overdoing things in that heat with that heart of yours, sweetie. Please.
1:39 am
grannyrose
i will be inside with the A/C. and i just feel the FM fog building.
1:40 am
grannyrose
btw, Kam. did i see a reference to my current treatment for FM?
1:40 am
sprite
..... mumble mumble headstrong woman....
1:42 am
Kamanjah
yes,rose
1:44 am
grannyrose
well i have sourced magnesium malate 1250mg, 5-HTP 50mg and melatonin 3mg/5X. all from america. i take one of each, every night.
1:46 am
Kamanjah
Mag malate is my #1 - 425g mag and 2.5g malic acid. The other two don't work with my system, tried them with adverse results.
1:47 am
grannyrose
ahhhh, that's so not good.
1:47 am
Kamanjah
Plus a load of other supplements
1:47 am
Kamanjah
I'll email you
1:48 am
grannyrose
try upping the dosage of magnesium. and go lalalala when your gp says your magnesium levels are too high. um, hello. they need to be high to control FM. besides you pee most of it out almost at once.
1:49 am
Kamanjah
I take mag glycinate too...doc knows and encourages it, plus 10000 IU D3
1:50 am
grannyrose
what happened with the 5-HTP and melatonin?
1:50 am
Kamanjah
I do ok, I just get tired after 10 hours days of doc appts that are 1 1/2 hr drives each way. DH used to drive, but now I've taken over freeway routes.
1:52 am
Kamanjah
got super hyper and couldn't sleep
1:53 am
sprite
I get hyper from melotonine as well
1:53 am
grannyrose
hmmmm, when /what time of day did you take them?
1:54 am
Kamanjah
hour before bed
1:54 am
Kamanjah
Then tried htp in AM and got sleepy. I'm upside down.
1:54 am
sprite
fireflies. A big *hug* for you both, dear girls. Sleep well, and rest up, and keep on taking good care of yourselves.
1:55 am
Kamanjah
Hugs, Sprite!!
1:55 am
grannyrose
WTG SPRITE !!!
1:55 am
grannyrose
xoxox honey. hope your day is kind to you.
1:57 am
grannyrose
there is no mention of hyper on all the melatonin sites. with FM your body does not produce endorphins, melatonin or seratonin.
1:58 am
grannyrose
well, for what it's worth, i take all three at night and i have started sleeping again. maybe it's the act of taking all three at the same time ?? it's possible.
2:00 am
Kamanjah
Actually, am working with doc to see if it's something besides FM - I have no fog. It's not responsive to any antidepressants - they make me depressed. I finally got off of them and am SO much better!
2:00 am
grannyrose
the other thing i was taking, which these three replace, was a herbal treatment called Anatrin. and yes, those three ingredients are in it, but there are three other ingredients which may offset the 'side effects' of the three.
2:02 am
grannyrose
well FM is the other side of the coin to chronic fatigue and or PTSSD
2:04 am
Kamanjah
I was diag with all three, so I don't really think FM is right, it's CFS that knocks me
2:05 am
grannyrose
hmmmm, have you and your doc considered ketamine infusions?
2:06 am
Kamanjah
not even a consideration in the US
2:06 am
grannyrose
really ?? how come??
2:06 am
Kamanjah
Anyone with chronic pain is a victim of the FDA and their war on drugs
2:07 am
Kamanjah
doctors are afraid of losing their licenses
2:08 am
grannyrose
that's so sad honey. over here they have just made i law, if you want analgesia containing codeine you must have a doc's prescription.
2:09 am
grannyrose
but the usage of ketamine has been approved for use with some psychiatric patients, and chronic pain patients.
2:10 am
Kamanjah
we have to jump thru hoops to get a month's worth of any opiate
2:11 am
Kamanjah
and if it's acute pain, they only allow 5-7 days worth of mes
2:11 am
grannyrose
it's such a pity that the few bad apples spoil the benefits for the rest of the barrel.
2:13 am
Kamanjah
the gov't doesn't care about people with legitimate pain. All are labeled addicts and it is so unfair! Just last week, a 70 year old man had his meds cut off, and he was crying for help...no doctor would take him on. It's terrible here.
2:13 am
grannyrose
going to prepare meds for the next 24 ours. keep that gorgeous chin up, Kam. you will come out on top soon, i am sure of it. hugs for you both.
2:14 am
Kamanjah
But that's a rant for another day...it's not going to change under the current conditions.
2:14 am
grannyrose
ahem *hours* evn... loll
2:14 am
Kamanjah
OK, you have a great day...or night...don't know what time it is 'down under.'
2:15 am
grannyrose
nearly 7:30pm. and i am yawning like anything already.
2:16 am
Kamanjah
Then, get a good night's sleep when it's time for bed!
2:24 am
rubyfoo
First run-through, 141, nbt and nbs AND no clues from the chog!
2:27 am
zoozzoom
Hello, Ruby! Still on my first run through.
2:28 am
rubyfoo
((zzoozz) How co** is it there? Here it's insanee!
2:28 am
zoozzoom
It is -3c and snowing here at the moment :-(
2:28 am
gapeach
Hi there, zooz. Haven't seen you for a while. All is well with you?
2:28 am
zoozzoom
On the mainland some parts are having temps of -15c
2:29 am
rubyfoo
Well below 0C, co**er than in the 20 yrs l've been heree.
2:29 am
zoozzoom
Hello, ((Gapeach)) I am fine thanks for asking! How are you keeping?
2:29 am
rubyfoo
Hi peach. You are probably having t-shiry weatheer!
2:31 am
gapeach
Doing OK now. Golly, it must be so cold there. Do have to be out in it?
2:31 am
rubyfoo
hands are so co** l can barely type
2:31 am
zoozzoom
I will be going to see parents today here. But it should be okay.
2:32 am
gapeach
Hey, there, Ruby. The weather here is crazy. Never know how to dress to go outside.
2:33 am
gapeach
Hope your parents are feeling much better.
2:33 am
zoozzoom
It is 12c /53f in my house at the moment. And that is with the heating full on lol
2:33 am
gapeach
Do they live far from you, zooz?
2:33 am
rubyfoo
my silly dogs don't mind; baby girl has to be lured into the house to sleep
2:33 am
zoozzoom
No not far , Gapeach, about a mile a way :-)
2:34 am
rubyfoo
zzoozz, l'd be happy with 12C; l can see my breath in the kitchen!
2:34 am
zoozzoom
Get that fire going, Ruby!!
2:34 am
gapeach
That's good, zooz.
2:35 am
zoozzoom
Glad you are doing okay now, Gapeach.
2:36 am
gapeach
I must go now......small dog has to have insulin every 12 hoursl....amd must be fed first. Blessings, y'all.
2:36 am
zoozzoom
((Gapeach)) it was great to see you and take care of yourself!
2:36 am
zoozzoom
oh poop sorry everyone
2:42 am
rubyfoo
ty, l missed that one
2:42 am
rubyfoo
oops, mee too LOO
2:43 am
zoozzoom
Damn that was not a word.
2:43 am
rubyfoo
yes it was
2:43 am
zoozzoom
rerot did not take for me?
2:44 am
rubyfoo
you're right, sorry
2:44 am
rubyfoo
l don't know if l'm coming or going!
2:44 am
zoozzoom
No need to be sorry, Ruby.
2:45 am
zoozzoom
You are very cold at the moment, Ruby tht is probably why.
2:46 am
zoozzoom
And that is PB for me :-(
2:46 am
rubyfoo
shivering in front of the fire!
2:47 am
rubyfoo
The fire is pretty but does Nothing; the little heater does a little
2:47 am
rubyfoo
Dogs' water froze in the kitchen overnight
2:47 am
zoozzoom
That is the problem when we have drughty houses :-(
2:47 am
zoozzoom
Wow that is cold, Ruby!
2:48 am
zoozzoom
Draughty*
2:54 am
zoozzoom
Okay first run through done and I have 65 words exaclty left.
2:55 am
zoozzoom
Make that 63 lol
2:56 am
zoozzoom
Well I must be off. 62 words to find later. . Hope you warm up and have a great day, Ruby. Happy babbling everyone!
3:16 am
rubyfoo
69 left and taking a break
5:23 am
Scrabbler
Good day, Babblers.
5:51 am
roncook
can anyone clue me the first FO 6/27 please.
5:52 am
Scrabbler
My only fo6 = a piece of lumber used when building a home or deck
5:52 am
stu mcc
not a header
5:52 am
mkg
fo 6 27: add ending to the fo 4/7 .
5:52 am
mkg
opposite of header.
5:53 am
Scrabbler
Stu--much better clue than mine.
5:54 am
roncook
got that one the one after the 2 5/18s
5:54 am
stu mcc
only 'cos I didn't think of the foundation angle!
6:00 am
stu mcc
sorry Ron the first one is enemy + stone outcrop
6:01 am
Scrabbler
TY, Stu. I always miss that word.
6:02 am
stu mcc
no problem
6:03 am
roncook
gottit thank you stu.
6:04 am
stu mcc
good stuff
6:05 am
mkg
need clue for the E bottom right corner. have the left corner already.
6:06 am
Scrabbler
es + camp bed
6:07 am
mkg
how about the E in 3rd row, 1st column? ty.
6:07 am
mkg
oh nm got it.
6:07 am
Scrabbler
er5 = to wear away
6:09 am
Scrabbler
78 left. Maybe I will return tonight. Enjoy the day.
6:26 am
mkg
ty. got er word.
6:33 am
markbowers7
terror phantom
6:54 am
godthaab
Name that Proper NounL Faerie's midwife
6:55 am
rubyfoo
l thought that fo6 (opp of header) was a soccer term. LOL too much Europe in my system!
7:00 am
mkg
it has many meanings..........
7:09 am
MollyL
Sorcha is the only word I know for faerie midwife, unless you mean Mab
7:09 am
MehNameIsHannah
hi all, its pretty cold out here
7:10 am
MehNameIsHannah
have you guys heard about the teacher walkouts in WV?
7:17 am
MehNameIsHannah
gtg my bus is here byeeeeeee
7:20 am
flosey
oops, sorry
7:23 am
MollyL
The teacher strike in West Virginia is over. The teachers won. Yay teachers.
7:25 am
godthaab
Molly - yes, Queen May. You win 12 extra hours of sleep!
7:25 am
flosey
think I better just get back into bed - too tired for this
7:25 am
godthaab
uhh... Queen Mab
7:26 am
MollyL
Yes, Mab and The May Queen are two VERY different beings.
7:43 am
bichon
be 6/30, pls
7:44 am
BzznBea
craziness
7:44 am
BzznBea
what you sleep on + Mary's little ***b
7:44 am
bichon
ty Bea, I tried beldam, but didn't see tis one
7:47 am
MollyL
Nice photograph in your icon Bich. Did your husband take that?
7:59 am
mael
in the grid today: name that famous author who wrote about four sisters
8:00 am
mael
ding ding ding
8:00 am
BzznBea
On my list to revisit.
8:01 am
mael
Orchard House, where Little Women is set, is right down the street from my house
8:01 am
mael
I can't wait for my daughter to be old enough to read it
8:07 am
bichon
Molly, I took that picture in Costa Rica
8:08 am
MollyL
Nice shot Bich. Those blue butterflies are very rare and seem to only show up in Costa Rica.
8:09 am
bichon
Blue Morpho. Another reason Costa Rica is worth going to
8:09 am
suefrad625
morning
8:13 am
suefrad625
i just dont see 32 Fs
8:16 am
suefrad625
i have the re8/45, what are the stats for the other two?
8:16 am
MollyL
The other two are fo words
8:39 am
suefrad625
clues please
8:41 am
mixi6
one of 8 is a compound
8:42 am
montreal13
i have 1 FO, a compound word - it was written, it was FO8
8:43 am
suefrad625
got the compound
8:47 am
montreal13
found 25 Fs, still 7 to go ??? onward to the D for now...
8:50 am
mixi6
found 24 f's. missing an 8 and a few others.
8:51 am
montreal13
apparently, there is another FO8 in the 7 i'm missing...
8:52 am
MLFAN17
hello all
8:52 am
montreal13
hi fan
8:52 am
MollyL
Technically, both fo8 are compound words. The other one has to do with shape
8:54 am
montreal13
thanks Molly, got it !
8:55 am
montreal13
bonjour ruby
8:55 am
rubyfoo
bonjour montreal
8:56 am
LuvWordGames
ne 4/6
9:02 am
MLFAN17
I have the fo 8/60 what are the stats for the other fo8?
9:03 am
montreal13
FO 8/70
9:05 am
montreal13
ruby, found an old french word CA 7/32, a kind of hat
9:06 am
rubyfoo
l'm afraid that my French, though fluent, isn't very sophisticated
9:06 am
MLFAN17
mont is it an actual word in the grid?
9:07 am
montreal13
word also used with ...polaire (or glaciaire) - and yes fan, it's there
9:07 am
rubyfoo
Everybody understands me, but l don't say anything profound
9:08 am
rubyfoo
Found itt but it was guesswork
9:09 am
MLFAN17
polaire means polar
9:09 am
rubyfoo
like our weather, definitely polaire et direct de Siberie
9:09 am
Judi
Good morning, y'all.
9:09 am
MLFAN17
break down clue pls?
9:10 am
montreal13
the Cs are worse than the Fs...
9:10 am
montreal13
while we're going thru a balmy period....
9:10 am
montreal13
hi judi
9:10 am
MLFAN17
I don't have many of either of them
9:14 am
rubyfoo
t-shirt weather on the East coast. l've heard. Minus 2C here
9:15 am
montreal13
got up to 9C yesterday ! in February !
9:16 am
rubyfoo
l've been here a long time and it's never been this cold for more than a day or two
9:17 am
rubyfoo
The house is plein sud, but the cruel sun does nothing
9:17 am
Uneaixoise
you're having recordbreaking cold and we, on the other hand, had 2 days of recordbreaking Feb. heat last week -- 80 degrees! ugh
9:18 am
rubyfoo
l wouldn't mind 80!
9:18 am
montreal13
you have a foyer ruby ?
9:18 am
Uneaixoise
the heat and recordbreakiing rain have meant gazillions of spring flowers! So far, have cut and shared over 200 jonquils :-)
9:18 am
rubyfoo
to foyer and a réserve
9:19 am
MLFAN17
une was their flooding in parts of Tennessee recently?
9:19 am
rubyfoo
lt's a big house
9:19 am
montreal13
well that helps in really cold temps...
9:19 am
Uneaixoise
flood watch for DAYS . . . tornados in Western TN that did a lot of damage . . .
9:20 am
rubyfoo
Not really. lt's poorly constructed and carelessly glazed and is VERY drafty
9:20 am
MLFAN17
oh I hadn't heard about the tornadoes I think it was also Indiana that was flooded?
9:20 am
Uneaixoise
ponds and mud and ponds and mud at my house! LOL
9:20 am
montreal13
sorry to hear that ruby ☻
9:20 am
Uneaixoise
dunno about IN
9:20 am
MLFAN17
une not good
9:20 am
MLFAN17
I gtg will be back.....
9:21 am
rubyfoo
and nott heat but a great view!
9:21 am
Uneaixoise
tired of drying off wet dogs :-)
9:21 am
Uneaixoise
back in a bit
9:21 am
montreal13
hi and bye une
9:22 am
montreal13
1st pass done - bbl for last 59 - nice seeing you ruby, une, fan and Molly - HAGD all - poof
9:23 am
rubyfoo
à binetôt
9:24 am
rubyfoo
oops, bientôt*
9:41 am
rolin
is the fo8 a compound word?
9:41 am
MollyL
Both fo8s are compound words
9:42 am
moolingwa
morning all
9:42 am
rolin
thx Molly... cant see either...but i shall try
9:45 am
MLFAN17
rolin I have the fo 8/60 have not found the other yet
9:45 am
rolin
that's two....
9:45 am
MLFAN17
morning mool
9:47 am
MLFAN17
first to 6?
9:54 am
moolingwa
hey ML :)
9:55 am
MollyL
Past tense of hammer, saw, wrench, etc.
9:58 am
MLFAN17
other one molly
10:00 am
cybernan
good morning everyone
10:00 am
MLFAN17
gm cyber
10:01 am
MollyL
The other first to6? I thought there was only one
10:02 am
MLFAN17
actually 3 of them
10:02 am
MLFAN17
but I don't have the other two
10:04 am
cybernan
to 6: pt of carpenter's equipment, one who honks a horn, torville and dean's dance with a couple of letters replaced
10:05 am
MLFAN17
got one i was missing ty cyber.. wasn't that dance the tango?
10:05 am
cybernan
the title of the song, mlf
10:06 am
cybernan
they danced by Bo 6 by Ravel
10:07 am
MLFAN17
i got the actual dance just got to monkey it in grid
10:10 am
MLFAN17
cyber does it end in o?
10:11 am
MollyL
The word means bullfighter
10:12 am
MLFAN17
still working on it ...
10:12 am
MollyL
Ripped + first two of Juliet's boyfriend
10:13 am
MLFAN17
ty molly
10:19 am
cybernan
first fo 6/27 please?
10:19 am
kje
offensive odor
10:20 am
kje
often spelled without the o
10:21 am
mrloser
FO8 x 2, 1st =FO4 + TO4, 2nd FO4 + AB4
10:22 am
cybernan
nothing coming to mind, kje
10:23 am
cybernan
oh - nm, found it
10:23 am
kje
starts with enemy, ends with most of ripped
10:29 am
MollyL
Floral decorated papers that you have to fill out.
10:38 am
flosey
wow!! I fell asleep with finger on E key, just erased 117 lines of E!!
10:39 am
origami
Sounds like you need a proper nap, flosey
10:40 am
flosey
quite likely origama - pehaps I'd better do just that - bb later to finish last 111
10:40 am
cybernan
see that mr harris is back
10:45 am
MollyL
Neil Patrick? Ed? Richard? Franco?
10:47 am
bichon
co 7/36, pls
10:49 am
cybernan
rust away bichon
10:50 am
cybernan
harris - tie me kangaroo down, 6 white boomers
10:53 am
MollyL
Oh him. He was convicted of sex crimes, the perv.
10:53 am
cybernan
hadn't heard that
10:54 am
MollyL
When I see the ro4, I always think Sound of Music.
10:55 am
cybernan
I think of the aussie because he was a resident performer at the Arctic Club in Vancouver when I was at uni.
10:56 am
cybernan
off to hit the shower (no - it's not kitted out like the one in my icon!)
10:59 am
MollyL
I think everyone should have a shower like the one in your icon. The world would be a much nicer place.
11:03 am
origami
love that icon nan
11:17 am
bichon
Why don't I see your icon unless I click on it?
11:19 am
MollyL
You need to hit CONTROL + F5. Unless you are on a Mac, in which case I cannot advise you.
11:21 am
MollyL
Maybe CMD + R. Whatever a hard refresh is on a Mac.
11:23 am
bichon
I don't have a f5 key, nor a command key. Not using a Mac
11:24 am
moolingwa
F5 is typically above the 5, and CONTROL is typically labeled CTRL and is down in the bottom left and bottom right of the keyboard
11:25 am
moolingwa
You can also probably do hold down CTRL and hit the refresh icon on whatever browser you're using
11:25 am
bichon
Definitely don't have any of that. Have a Lenovo
11:25 am
moolingwa
If you use Google Chrome, you'll see an icon up in the top left, that looks like a 3/4 circle with an arrow head on one end
11:26 am
bichon
But, it's ok
11:26 am
moolingwa
If you have a Lenovo, running Windows, then you will have it, though our descriptions might not be very good
11:27 am
moolingwa
Here's the lenovo keyboard: https://tinyurl.com/yc7gba5q
On that Picture, the CTRL key is just to the right of the red key in the bottom right
11:27 am
bichon
I looked at Mr. Bich's keyboard [a Dell] and it has it. Not I
11:29 am
moolingwa
Ah, the F5 probably is written in red on the top row
11:30 am
moolingwa
At any rate, you don't need F5, if you know how to click on your browser refresh icon...you can then just hold CTRL and click on the refresh icon
11:30 am
bichon
my eyesight is going. It's very small
11:31 am
moolingwa
yeah...
11:31 am
bichon
Yes, that worked, ty
11:31 am
moolingwa
They try to cram a lot in on those (I assume) laptop keyboards
11:31 am
MollyL
I have a Lenovo at work. Your computer brand has nothing to do with how you refresh. It's your operating system.
11:32 am
moolingwa
We're talking about how the keys are labeled, they tend to vary by manufacturer
11:33 am
MollyL
I know and I'm looking at photos of Lenovo laptop keyboards and they all have CTRL and F5
11:33 am
moolingwa
We have established that I believe :)
11:34 am
bichon
It's really tiny. Not great for my eyes
11:34 am
moolingwa
The labeling on Bichon's keyboard was small for the function keys, which was the challenge
11:35 am
MollyL
Anyway...Bich...can you see Nan's icon now?
11:36 am
bichon
Yup, ty for your input
11:39 am
MollyL
Most of the time, computer stuff like that is easier to figure out if someone shows you.
11:41 am
MLFAN17
i had to reload my page in order to see cyber's new icon
11:43 am
origami
Making up big batches of kumquat marmalade. My tree has enough ripe kumquats to feed a small nation.
11:43 am
MLFAN17
origami do you do canning?
11:44 am
bichon
I used to, years ago.
11:44 am
origami
I make freezer jams. Don't can.
11:45 am
MLFAN17
origami i hope you have a lot of bread:)
11:45 am
MollyL
*Imagines Origami's friends at Christmas. "Oh, just what I wanted!! A jar of kumquat marmalade!!"
: D
11:47 am
bichon
I have a quince bush, but the marmelade was awful
11:47 am
Mary
On the island of Corfu in Greece they make C
11:47 am
MLFAN17
i don't even know what a quince is
11:47 am
Mary
kumquat liqueur which is out of this world.
11:48 am
bichon
It's a fruit from a quince bush
11:48 am
origami
Yep, Molly, kumquat marmalade for all :D
11:48 am
MLFAN17
mary i will take coffee liquer ty:)
11:49 am
origami
ooooh, I'm going to look up kumquat liqueur
11:49 am
bichon
fl 6/27, pls
11:49 am
Mary
should try the kumquat in coffee, i use it in tea when i have a cold.
11:50 am
MLFAN17
yellow and similar to the shape of a pear
11:50 am
MollyL
Kumquats, sugar and brandy. I'm in on that.
11:50 am
bichon
I get fruit, but it's eaten by the wildlife
11:51 am
MLFAN17
kumquat in coffee hmm. unfortunately i drink coffee that is already flavored
11:52 am
origami
Found some liqueur recipes. Going to make some.
11:52 am
Mary
fl6/27 a small flower
11:52 am
MollyL
They are calling for 9 inches of snow in Ireland. I bet the pubs are doing big business.
11:52 am
MollyL
I generally drink my coffee black, but I'm not averse to a shot of something alcoholic in it.
11:53 am
bichon
I drink my coffee by putting in a glass of hot milk
11:54 am
MollyL
Oh yeah Bich, I remember you saying you liked coffee flavored milk.
: D
11:55 am
origami
I can't do spirits in coffee. Still remember the morning 40+ years ago after a binge of Irish coffees. I have never been sicker.
11:55 am
bichon
We're both tea drinkers in a world of coffee. I like coffee ice cream. I just find black too bitter
11:58 am
bichon
fl 6/27, pls
11:59 am
MLFAN17
i love amaretto when i drink regular coffee
11:59 am
MLFAN17
origami irish cream in coffee is so good but i would not binge yikes
12:02 pm
origami
I don't recommend it :D But I was young and naive
12:03 pm
MLFAN17
i took a sip of irish cream by itself once . yuck
12:03 pm
MLFAN17
and coffee liquor not good by itself either
12:14 pm
MLFAN17
bichon i haven't found it either
12:18 pm
sammysmom
stuck on the first fo 6/27 ?
12:19 pm
bichon
enemy + mountain crag
12:19 pm
MLFAN17
a mountain what>?
12:20 pm
sammysmom
thanks bichon
12:20 pm
MLFAN17
i found it ty sammy
12:20 pm
bichon
three letter word for a mountain top
12:20 pm
MLFAN17
i meant bichon
12:22 pm
MLFAN17
Sammy do you have the lo 6/27?
12:24 pm
bichon
upper level in a barn + two letter ending
12:24 pm
MLFAN17
ty bichon
12:41 pm
wvteach
stats for lone E in left column pls
12:42 pm
bichon
last word, ma 6/24, pls
12:43 pm
bichon
a mistake
12:58 pm
MollyL
ma6...costumed animal or real animal that supports a sports team
1:12 pm
Trifioso
hello friends...wow, my ex is all over this grid today, lol
1:23 pm
mattygroves
Evening all. It's snowy here, which is a nightmare as London has no clue how to deal with it - no-one shovels or even sweeps (cuz let's face it, it's not that much snow) it here, so it's like an ice rink
1:25 pm
mattygroves
May I have stats, please, for the E in the first column, third row?
1:25 pm
ch1212
to wear away, as in earth
1:26 pm
ch1212
oh darn it! SORRY! you asked for stats! er5
1:26 pm
Deeha
hi Matty everyone seems to have snow - except us down on East corner!
1:26 pm
mattygroves
Thanks! (Though stats would have done, but thanks for the clue)
1:26 pm
mattygroves
It's pretty to look at, a nightmare to get around in. I'm near Windsor and work in London
1:27 pm
ch1212
Can you use public transport and leave the car at home?
1:28 pm
mattygroves
I do - always! I took the car to the station (lazy as it's only a mile away, but the walk would have been cold and icy)
1:28 pm
mattygroves
The trains are...troubled, though, in any semi poor weather. Understand when I say snow (and they're calling this storm 'the Beast from the East!), we're talking at most, in London, 2 inches and probably not even that
1:28 pm
mattygroves
London just doesn't know how to handle it
1:29 pm
mattygroves
Kinda like Portland (where I lived for 2 years in my early 20s)
1:29 pm
ch1212
The snow is so beautiful... until the next day when it's turned sooty and dirty and slushy.
Understand -- I've lived in places where snow is a rarity, and everything stops with 1/2 inch! Yes, Portland!
1:29 pm
suefrad625
hi again
1:30 pm
Deeha
recently heard someone say Britain could stop an alien invasion - just have a light covering of snow!
1:30 pm
mattygroves
Hallo Sue
1:30 pm
ch1212
lol deeha!
BBL - lunch time.
1:31 pm
mattygroves
Actually, Deeha, I think that would make it easier for them as no-one would be able to mobilise!
1:32 pm
Deeha
true - we'ed all be huddled round heaters saying'can't go out in this. Having a duvet day'!!
1:34 pm
mattygroves
Exactly that! And the trains would shut down and probably even there'd be the wrong kind of snow for the tanks
1:35 pm
suefrad625
i cant see and more c's. I am c blind. I cant believe i found 25 of them
1:35 pm
Deeha
definitely wrong sort of snow for tanks!!
1:36 pm
mattygroves
It's amazing, walking around London (rather, walking from Waterloo to my office) the inappropriate footwear you see on people.
1:37 pm
suefrad625
it sounds like here in concord NC when it snows
1:37 pm
Deeha
bet there are still girls in minis and crop tops!
1:37 pm
mattygroves
Not quite, gotta say!
1:37 pm
suefrad625
everyone runs to the store for bread, milk and eggs and then stays put
1:38 pm
mattygroves
All the Canadians and northern US people, when they get here, will be laughing hysterically about the panic over maaayybe 2 inches of snow
1:38 pm
mattygroves
Apparently, according to the NY Times, during the last severe winter storm late last year in New York, there was a run on bread, milk and kale. Go figure
1:38 pm
suefrad625
71 left, going to the list. I need two more f's
1:48 pm
suefrad625
is there really an al6?
1:48 pm
mattygroves
I haven't found it
1:48 pm
suefrad625
i found it
1:48 pm
suefrad625
do you want a clue?
1:49 pm
mattygroves
I'd love one!
1:51 pm
suefrad625
al+sleep thig + vowel
1:51 pm
mattygroves
Thanking you!
1:52 pm
Deeha
wow sue did you know that word or just find it? never heard of that.Thanks
1:53 pm
mattygroves
I do know the word but was grateful for the clue as I'd not seen it in the grid
1:53 pm
suefrad625
just found it
1:56 pm
Deeha
like your photo Matty I'd recognise you anywhere!!
1:56 pm
mattygroves
It captures the real me!
1:57 pm
Deeha
wish I was than thin!!
1:57 pm
mattygroves
I had no idea it was so big. When I can be bothered, I'll resize it and repost. Can't be bothered now
1:58 pm
mattygroves
Your grandkids (I assume) are lovely!
1:58 pm
periwinkle
hi all. help with either fo8 pls
1:58 pm
suefrad625
i have the combo word
1:58 pm
suefrad625
tell before
1:59 pm
periwinkle
ty sue
1:59 pm
Deeha
I have the fo8.70 extends from school class
2:00 pm
Deeha
thanks for other one sue
2:01 pm
periwinkle
from the fo4/8 deeha?
2:01 pm
mattygroves
Or, for Americans here, extends from what you fill in when you want (say) a driving licence
2:01 pm
periwinkle
ok I was right, ty matty
2:01 pm
periwinkle
it is a compound word?
2:02 pm
mattygroves
It's when it's possible to have an fo4
2:02 pm
periwinkle
ty matty
2:02 pm
periwinkle
and deeha
2:05 pm
mattygroves
No worries!
2:05 pm
suefrad625
I am not getting the fo8
2:06 pm
mattygroves
Which one?
2:09 pm
moolingwa
rehi all...back for my final 27
2:10 pm
mattygroves
Hi Mool
2:10 pm
moolingwa
hey mg...how's your day going?
2:10 pm
suefrad625
i have the fo8/60
2:11 pm
moolingwa
I have the fo8/70 if you want a clue
2:11 pm
mattygroves
Nearly done (well, it's 8pm but still). Utterly knackered as we've had snow (yes, in London 2 inches of snow shuts everything down) and I have bronchitis. So yeah, kinda tired. Otherwise ok! How's your day going?
2:12 pm
suefrad625
yes please
2:12 pm
moolingwa
heh, we had 2 inches on Friday...which was preceded by almost 5 Monday last week
2:12 pm
mattygroves
take the fo4 (a thing you fill in) and add a suffix meaning possible (also a four letter word in the grid)
2:12 pm
moolingwa
Mine, not too bad so far
2:12 pm
mattygroves
Well, you're in Colorado - that's small beans for you!
2:12 pm
moolingwa
Sue...able to be molded or have it's shape changed
2:12 pm
suefrad625
got it, ty
2:12 pm
moolingwa
actually we typically only get 0-3 inches at a time, but yes...we're not unaccustomed to snow
2:13 pm
mattygroves
Mool - into the PB for you!
2:13 pm
moolingwa
You want to stick me in peanut butter?!?!? ;)
2:13 pm
mattygroves
Penalty box - you've been in the US too long - you used a word in the grid, you naughty boy ;)
2:14 pm
moolingwa
Well being an ice hockey fan, I'm well acquainted with penalty boxes :)
2:15 pm
suefrad625
this puzzle is making me lo4
2:15 pm
moolingwa
look :)
2:15 pm
moolingwa
or maybe loud
2:15 pm
moolingwa
or perhaps maybe a form of soil that is not clay or sand
2:15 pm
mattygroves
steal...? tell stories? plant grass?
2:15 pm
suefrad625
oh my, I finished the freekin f's
2:16 pm
mattygroves
I still have 10 Fs left
2:16 pm
moolingwa
I have 3 apparently
2:16 pm
mattygroves
I very much doubt I shall stay awake long enough to finish today's grid
2:16 pm
moolingwa
would not one give foodle to a poodle?
2:17 pm
suefrad625
only if you took toodle for it
2:17 pm
suefrad625
coodle you?
2:17 pm
mattygroves
And if you had almost lots, it would be oodle
2:17 pm
moolingwa
and wouldn't a foolacre, be the opposite of a wiseacre?
2:18 pm
mattygroves
Hah - good one
2:28 pm
suefrad625
this grid is totally do6/27
2:29 pm
zoozzoom
ஜ۩۞۩ஜ F.I.R.E.W.O.R.K.S ஜ۩۞۩ஜ
2:32 pm
mattygroves
Congrats!
2:32 pm
suefrad625
congrats zoo
2:36 pm
suefrad625
bl6/24, cant be a word, but it is!
2:37 pm
mattygroves
I have 57 left - haven't listed and can't really be bothered..
2:37 pm
suefrad625
i listed at 71 and then it flys
2:37 pm
suefrad625
16 left
2:47 pm
HarryHood
nbt and nbs! 83 to go
2:47 pm
HarryHood
sorry don't have a ca7
2:47 pm
suefrad625
yea harry
2:47 pm
suefrad625
you go on
2:47 pm
suefrad625
hi. bathroom run, brb
2:48 pm
suefrad625
need co7/36 & ca7/32
2:51 pm
zoozzoom
CO 7 to eat or wear away. CA 7 is like a ladies name with out the H & R like a female singer Ch 9 church.
2:52 pm
HarryHood
ah - got them. ty zoo
2:52 pm
zoozzoom
Well it is 11.9 c in my house at the moment so even though it is not even 9pm I am going to go to bed to try and stay warm. Happy babbling everyone!
2:53 pm
HarryHood
layers!
2:53 pm
HarryHood
and socks!
2:53 pm
wvteach
have FO 8/60 and need clue for other FO 8 pls
2:53 pm
zoozzoom
Yep I sleep between two duvet covers. But no clothes in bed. Just can not wear anyy.
2:54 pm
moolingwa
FO 8/60 - can be molded or reshaped
2:54 pm
moolingwa
oops, wrong one
2:54 pm
zoozzoom
Extend the FO 4/8 after the FO 8/60
2:54 pm
moolingwa
sorry teach
2:54 pm
moolingwa
oh no, it's the right one
2:54 pm
wvteach
that's what i needed - thnks
2:54 pm
moolingwa
forget my correction :)
2:55 pm
zoozzoom
LOL, Mool :-)
2:56 pm
zoozzoom
I'm out of here. *poof*
2:56 pm
HarryHood
bbl - 74 to go.
3:47 pm
MollyL
And now we all know that Zoom sleeps naked. Do with that what you will.
: D
3:51 pm
suefrad625
ty all, fireworks and I am out of here.
5:31 pm
gapeach
Evening all. May I please have a clue for ma6-24? Thanks
5:32 pm
lynxxx
lots of sporting teams have a ma****, sometimes animals or in costume
5:33 pm
gapeach
Thanks so much, lynxxx.
5:34 pm
lynxxx
yw - and drop the m too
5:35 pm
gapeach
Thanks much, lynxxx
6:27 pm
penquis
hello....i am done....goodbye... ;o)
6:29 pm
clg47
Have the fo8,70 but would appreciate a clue for the fo8,60.
6:46 pm
origami
cig - predicted
6:49 pm
clg47
Thank your origami - fireworks out to visit friends
7:39 pm
rururocks
anyone able to guide me toward the first fo 6/27?
7:40 pm
hurshy
alt sp of a word that has to do with rotting stinky stuff i believe
7:41 pm
rururocks
I don't see it
7:42 pm
rururocks
was looking to the right
7:42 pm
rururocks
thank you
7:47 pm
hurshy
an 8 an 8 i found an 8!!!
7:50 pm
MehNameIsHannah
hi all, i got a merge cube, trust me its not all its cracked up to be
7:51 pm
MehNameIsHannah
well i havent got a vr headset, so idk about that part
7:53 pm
hurshy
*the babbleverse silently wonders what MNIH is talking about*
7:54 pm
MehNameIsHannah
lol, first dont call me that, and two its a called a merge cube, ive seen them in walmart, and some other stores
7:55 pm
hurshy
it's just that we skew old in this group, so like, i, for example, had never heard of a merge cube :)
7:55 pm
MehNameIsHannah
it says on the box, "holograms in the palm of your hand" well on the mobile option, its on your phone!
7:55 pm
MehNameIsHannah
and its not a hologram
7:56 pm
hurshy
wait, wait, are you saying a product being sold at walmart is disappointingly low in quality? how can this be?!
7:56 pm
deanoz
exactly what i was thinking, hurshy.
7:57 pm
hurshy
which, the "we're old" or the "walmart" ? :)
7:58 pm
MehNameIsHannah
idk hurshy, how it can be
7:59 pm
MehNameIsHannah
hmm i found this other app imma try it
8:00 pm
MehNameIsHannah
sorry, bad grammar, I'm gonna try it
8:07 pm
rururocks
gonna is great grammar as well
8:08 pm
lynxxx
you're right, it should be gunna
8:12 pm
MehNameIsHannah
i took a pic of the merge cube and as my profile picture, but it hasnt changed yet
8:13 pm
MehNameIsHannah
uploaded as my, i meant
8:15 pm
hurshy
you know what word doesn't get used enough? escutcheon.
8:16 pm
MehNameIsHannah
huh? never heard of it
8:16 pm
wht
Hi all. Just came in to start and I already have the top row grayed.
8:16 pm
MehNameIsHannah
lol
8:17 pm
rururocks
you are a wiz at this wht :D
8:17 pm
MehNameIsHannah
yep :D
8:17 pm
wht
I am afraid the next row might take a little longer. :^)
8:18 pm
MehNameIsHannah
lol *doubles over laughing*
8:18 pm
MehNameIsHannah
you guys crack me up
8:20 pm
MehNameIsHannah
hint for al6, pls?
8:21 pm
MehNameIsHannah
nm
8:29 pm
MehNameIsHannah
night all
8:30 pm
lynxxx
bye Hannah
8:31 pm
hurshy
dang, but i cannot find an AL6 either
8:31 pm
lynxxx
al & cot & vwl
8:32 pm
hurshy
why do i feel like scroot is a word? did dickens or somebody name a character that or something?
8:33 pm
lynxxx
that would be scrooge
8:34 pm
lynxxx
or Donald Ducks uncle too wasn't it?
8:35 pm
hurshy
ok i looked it up and apparently it HAS been used as a word, either meaning like a smelly mangy dog, or like a car that is in parallel condition
8:35 pm
hurshy
but the quotes that wiktionary cited where the word was used... none of them were from anything that i've read
8:36 pm
hurshy
so how it got into my head remains a mystery
8:37 pm
hurshy
is it just me or is this grid hard?
8:38 pm
lynxxx
its do6.27, some nice words here - just not common
8:38 pm
hurshy
woohoo, thanks for that one
8:38 pm
lynxxx
see - nice!
8:40 pm
hurshy
so the 8 i found is re8, got any others?
8:41 pm
eieios
Two fo8s, hursh
8:41 pm
eieios
both are compound words....
8:41 pm
hurshy
ok got one
8:42 pm
eieios
8/60 & 8/70
8:43 pm
hurshy
oops here too but at least mine was wrong, lol
8:46 pm
hurshy
ok now let me see here
8:48 pm
hurshy
it's the 70 pointer, so 14 before you multiply
8:49 pm
eieios
It can be fo4/8ed
8:49 pm
hurshy
ahhh thanks
9:04 pm
wht
Does anyone have a clue for the co7,36?
9:10 pm
hurshy
rust may co7 your car
9:11 pm
wht
ty hurshy. I didn't think to go in that direction.
9:13 pm
hurshy
happens to us all
9:14 pm
hurshy
that and fl and sc are the 3 sevens i have found
9:16 pm
wht
thanks hurshy, the sc7 was the only one I was missing.
9:19 pm
wht
I have be7/44, bl7/36, ca7/32, co7/36, cr7/44, fl7,40 and sc7/32.
9:27 pm
wht
Now fireworks. I was right the last four rows took a little longer than the top one.
9:34 pm
wht
Good night and happy Babbling all.
9:53 pm
wvteach
need clue for LO 5/10 just above the last LO 5/10
10:00 pm
cybernan
hi all -- just checking in to see who's around
10:32 pm
maggiej
be 6/30 any hints?
10:32 pm
Dorens
total craziness Maggie be 6
10:36 pm
stidmama
(((hugs all))) hello anyone who's still here, taking a short break this evening!
10:37 pm
Bugsaw
hey stid!
10:40 pm
stidmama
BUGS!!! (((bugs hugs)))
10:40 pm
stidmama
Ah, Mr. Flynn's first name doesn't count. :-(
10:41 pm
Bugsaw
hugging you back stid. Hope you are feeling better today. We had a huge windstorm up here but the ocean was impressive@
10:42 pm
cybernan
be 6/30 loony bin in UK
10:42 pm
stidmama
I am better, thanks. I am pretty sure it's the new medication, but unless things get worse (and it's a lot more manageable already) I want to give it a couple weeks to be sure... it is so lovely to breathe freely again.
10:43 pm
Bugsaw
yes. scary stuff to struggle to breathe
10:43 pm
stidmama
I bet it was lovely, bugs -- it was sunny and relatively warm yesterday, but more seasonal today.
10:45 pm
sinnergy
anyone have the link the the helper app?
10:46 pm
Bugsaw
not me sinnergy. my computer exploded and I lost it
10:46 pm
stidmama
power is dying... gn all!
10:52 pm
gapeach
Evening all. May I please have a clue for fo6-27 the 1st? Thanks
10:54 pm
Bugsaw
need it too gapeach
10:58 pm
ursh
fo 6 - a strong offensive smell
11:01 pm
ursh
starts like an enemy ends with name of babbler ***gone
11:08 pm
gapeach
Thanks much ursh. FW finally. See y'all at the flip/ Blessings
11:08 pm
gapeach
Congrats, ursh!!!!!
11:57 pm
Book Doctor Gwen
70 to go, might not finish. prediction for next puzzle: 187