Babble: Archived Puzzle for Thursday, May 28, 2020

12:01 am

Cosmo Kramer

harpjane was closer....

12:03 am

jan

so/7

12:04 am

cybernan

hello everyone

12:18 am

melonheadjujube

hello, cybernan, jan, and Cosmo

12:19 am

licketySplitAUS

Clues are up

12:20 am

cybernan

goodnight everyone

12:22 am

jan

Night, nan. I'm off to bed too.

12:23 am

jan

But not before finding the as/7; one I recall seeing in Babble before.

12:25 am

dizgrannie

cw 4

12:28 am

Rainiqui

mo 7

12:28 am

Rainiqui

jewed

12:28 am

melonheadjujube

tx Lickety

12:29 am

dizgrannie

Rain, change the 1st vowel and another wordis found

12:30 am

Rainiqui

thanks Diz

12:30 am

dizgrannie

yw

12:30 am

harpjane

I was close, I said 222

12:31 am

melonheadjujube

heh, an ri7 I had in mind is not a word (ba-domp-domp!)

12:33 am

melonheadjujube

clue for solo E, 4th colun, for nbt, please?

12:34 am

dizgrannie

wo 7

12:36 am

SueMagee

Em 6/24

12:42 am

melonheadjujube

got it, thanks!

12:42 am

melonheadjujube

nbt nbs

12:42 am

SueMagee

My pleasure.

12:45 am

melonheadjujube

halfway. and halfway asleep. nite-nite! [poof]

12:57 am

hurshy

came late but

12:58 am

hurshy

Vowels Vanquished! decided on a whim to do all the vowel words first and i managed it!

1:00 am

hurshy

Cs Conquered

1:00 am

hurshy

Js Junked

1:03 am

hurshy

hmm, one of the Ws is eluding me

1:05 am

periwinkle

hi hursh. I am mssing the corner O and the E in fourth column. I know the E is em6/24 but don't see it

1:05 am

hurshy

Rs Ravaged

1:05 am

periwinkle

you are on a roll hurshy

1:05 am

hurshy

em6 makes you throw up

1:05 am

SueMagee

The e will make you sick, peri.

1:06 am

periwinkle

ty both

1:06 am

hurshy

or5/12 think in a medical direction, or5pedist

1:06 am

periwinkle

ty hursh

1:07 am

periwinkle

no 7's yet

1:07 am

hurshy

there's ah6 and 7 combo, babblets we don't have too often

1:07 am

hurshy

seems like it'd be from hindi or something

1:07 am

hurshy

Hs Handled

1:08 am

periwinkle

ty for ah words hursh

1:09 am

periwinkle

is it Hindu

1:10 am

hurshy

one F is eluding me as well

1:11 am

periwinkle

do you have the fu5 with double vowel at the end

1:12 am

hurshy

thanks peri, that was the one!

1:12 am

periwinkle

yvw

1:16 am

periwinkle

what a sweet kitty hursh

1:16 am

Cosmo Kramer

hurshy, ah6/7 - is from Hindi.... meaning non-violence

1:16 am

hurshy

one D is eluding me now

1:16 am

hurshy

yes that's rilla, she is my darling angel baby :D

1:17 am

hurshy

aha got that D!

1:17 am

periwinkle

are you almost done hursh?

1:17 am

hurshy

so that just leaves the one W out of every letter i have tackled thus far. saving M, S, and T for the morning.

1:17 am

periwinkle

I have 83 left but got a late start too

1:18 am

hurshy

any ideas about my missing W? the three i have are all 4s

1:18 am

periwinkle

I am missing one W too

1:18 am

periwinkle

all 4s too

1:19 am

grannyrose

wo7 hurshy

1:19 am

hurshy

hey thanks granny!

1:19 am

grannyrose

it was my last word.

1:19 am

hurshy

that's a pretty cool word

1:19 am

periwinkle

I don't see it

1:19 am

hurshy

ok, saving the last three letters, with the most words, for the morning now. :D laterz all

1:19 am

SueMagee

It made me cry.

1:19 am

periwinkle

got it

1:20 am

periwinkle

ty rose and Sue

1:20 am

grannyrose

haha sue

1:20 am

grannyrose

have a god evening and night hurshy

1:20 am

grannyrose

lolll.... good as well

1:21 am

periwinkle

what is a bathing box"?

1:21 am

periwinkle

what is a bathing box"?

1:21 am

periwinkle

I am tired but can't sleep

1:23 am

periwinkle

nm I looked it up,

1:23 am

grannyrose

bathing boxes are privately owned and are small sheds where people can store seaside equipment etc. some are worth up to AU$1million.

1:23 am

periwinkle

wow

1:24 am

grannyrose

originally they were rolled to the water's edge. then people chanded inside, and stepped down the steps straight into the water. they are very old.

1:24 am

grannyrose

*changed*

1:24 am

periwinkle

interesting

1:26 am

grannyrose

in the background to the left, those grey streaks are the skyscrapers on our capital, Melbourne.

1:30 am

periwinkle

not seeing any more words stopping with 77 left, byee

1:56 am

grannyrose

leaving a hug in chat for sprite if she drops in. xoxox g'night all. happy babbling.

2:01 am

rolin

omg...what have they done to MoreWords??

3:04 am

rbud

what?

6:18 am

BzznBea

phantom: crimson

7:26 am

MollyL

Good morning Bea

7:26 am

BzznBea

Good morning, Molly.

7:27 am

MollyL

My phantom is thirst

7:35 am

Uneaixoise

Morning all :-)

7:39 am

hokie carla

I just got here and phantom for me is oasis

7:40 am

hokie carla

morning, une, all

7:41 am

BzznBea

Morning, Carla. Are you getting any rain?

7:41 am

hokie carla

got 2" when Bertha passed over yesterday, but no rain right now

7:42 am

BzznBea

She must have missed us. We are just getting light rain.

7:42 am

hokie carla

I didn't realize it until I looked at the radar and it was obvious

7:43 am

hokie carla

but heavy rain & wind all day

7:43 am

BzznBea

Hubs got an alert about it yesterday morning.

7:45 am

hokie carla

I am thankful it was not a hurricane :D

7:45 am

hokie carla

got the shady flower!

7:46 am

BzznBea

Me too. =)

7:47 am

hokie carla

but certainly not seeing the a's today, have you finished them?

7:47 am

BzznBea

Yes.

7:48 am

hokie carla

wow, good job

7:48 am

BzznBea

Mostly the usually suspects.

7:49 am

BzznBea

There is an ah6.24 and 7.36 that are not common.

7:49 am

MollyL

Her name was Bertha. Bertha Butt. She was one of The Butt Sisters.

7:49 am

MollyL

The ah words sound like sneeze noises

7:50 am

BzznBea

LOL! I had a great aunt named Bertha. And she was a big woman.

7:50 am

MollyL

IIt sounds like a name for a big woman. I can't imagine a tiny woman named Bertha.

7:51 am

MollyL

Whoa, too many eyes

7:53 am

hokie carla

well I grayed out one on the top row at least

7:56 am

BzznBea

What room are you painting, Carla?

7:57 am

hokie carla

I call it the upstairs hall, I guess that's what it is but it is a big area. need to do the trim today.

7:58 am

BzznBea

Changing the color or just freshening it up?

7:59 am

hokie carla

well, it needed freshening up because my dog thinks he's a cat and rubs all up against it, but I decided to change the color. the whole house was a tannish shade, changed to gray.

8:00 am

hokie carla

want to do the foyer & family room in that now but they are both 2 story rooms & the family room curtains & everything else won't match anymore. may just do the foyer and stop at this little overhang in the hall back to the family room

8:01 am

Uneaixoise

Mo7?

8:01 am

hokie carla

I don't mind painting but mr. homie complains the whole time.

8:01 am

hokie carla

I don't know, une, but I just found a 6 while looking. thx!

8:02 am

hokie carla

oh, just found mo6/24, 7/36

8:02 am

hokie carla

it's like a fabric made from angora goat

8:04 am

rastapopolous

there is another mo7/36 and I can't find it even with morewords, alas

8:05 am

BzznBea

I have all the M's and I only have one mo7.

8:05 am

hokie carla

wow, all the m's too? how long have you been here, bea?

8:06 am

rastapopolous

maybe that's why I couldn't find it lol!

8:06 am

BzznBea

I've been here since before 7EDT.

8:06 am

rastapopolous

I think it was the other mo6/24 I couldn't find

8:07 am

BzznBea

I have not been sleeping well. Finally gave it up.

8:07 am

BzznBea

That mo 6 is a type of art.

8:07 am

hokie carla

rasta, do you have the one that is like a bunch of broken tiles fit together?

8:07 am

hokie carla

I woke up for the 3rd night in a row between 3 and 4am but was able to go back to sleep. so annoying.

8:07 am

rastapopolous

ah - that's the one, thx

8:08 am

hokie carla

ha! got the mh today!

8:09 am

BzznBea

The funky c is in the grid today too.

8:09 am

hokie carla

you are correct, thanks!

8:10 am

hokie carla

bea, what is my missing R or H?

8:11 am

BzznBea

Not sure about the R...Did you get the plural of the shade plant?

8:12 am

hokie carla

that's it, thanks!

8:13 am

BzznBea

Try ri6.21 for your missing R.

8:13 am

hokie carla

that's it, looking now

8:14 am

hokie carla

surprised rimshot isn't a word

8:14 am

hokie carla

got it, thx

8:15 am

BzznBea

=)

8:15 am

hokie carla

weird one

8:16 am

Uneaixoise

Tx for the broken tiles!

8:16 am

hokie carla

np

8:19 am

hokie carla

these vowels are killing me today

8:20 am

hokie carla

finished the bottom row e & o at least

8:21 am

MollyL

I really wanted shitweed

8:21 am

BzznBea

LOL!

8:21 am

hokie carla

lol, I'm unfamiliar with that but I guess

8:22 am

BzznBea

It's there, just not accepted.

8:22 am

hokie carla

too many duplicate letters going in all directions here

8:23 am

BzznBea

Our grandsons were here over the weekend. I had Mr. Bea sit down with the youngest to shop for six year old birthday persents. Yesterday, we received a shipment of 500 nerf bullets.

8:24 am

hokie carla

ha! still find those in my house occasionally

8:24 am

BzznBea

Mr. Bea is going to be busy picking those up...

8:24 am

hokie carla

and we never had 500

8:25 am

hokie carla

finally made it through every tile, still 61 left :(

8:32 am

hokie carla

one missing c, bea

8:33 am

BzznBea

Italian greeting?

8:33 am

hokie carla

yep

8:33 am

BzznBea

Yes, you missed it or yes you have it?

8:34 am

hokie carla

now just need one j to finish 1st col

8:34 am

hokie carla

yes, that was the missing one

8:34 am

BzznBea

jo5.30

8:34 am

hokie carla

got the j!

8:34 am

MLFAN17

hokie and bzz are we enjoying the rain yet? Currently nothing coming down this AM

8:35 am

hokie carla

I'm over the rain.

8:35 am

hokie carla

our tomatoes are getting blossom end rot

8:35 am

hokie carla

1 d left

8:36 am

MLFAN17

I am over it too

8:37 am

CadFan

Morning all. Lots O rain in Minnesota too... looks like we'll get more today but supposed to be gone by the weekend.

8:37 am

hokie carla

morning. I think it's supposed to rain here through Sun

8:37 am

MLFAN17

i think we are supposed to get some the next few days. today not until afternoon or evening

8:39 am

CadFan

Where are you guys?

8:39 am

hokie carla

NC, near Charlotte

8:40 am

MLFAN17

NC about an hour from Charlotte close to Va border

8:41 am

CadFan

:) So you two are neighbors, kinda.

8:41 am

hokie carla

TS Bertha passed over us yesterday dumping 2" and last week we got 6" in 3 or 4 days

8:41 am

Uneaixoise

Yum.....eating big bowl of Georgia peaches!!

8:41 am

hokie carla

kinda :D

8:41 am

MLFAN17

hokie ugghh

8:41 am

CadFan

Ugh yes.. no TS around here - but we got close to 4 the other day

8:41 am

hokie carla

luckily we only have creeks around for flash flooding, no river nearby

8:42 am

hokie carla

ummm, une. nothing like fresh peaches. I'm surprised they are in season already.

8:42 am

MLFAN17

we have a river here

8:43 am

hokie carla

I have a peach tree in a planter on my deck. hoping to get at least one good peach. I think this is the 3rd year. the squirrels steal them and last year they caught a fungus.

8:43 am

CadFan

Sump pump city around here - low water table. 4 years ago we got over 13 inches in a day - a friend of mine had just moved into her new house the day before... flooded her basement when the sump couldn't keep up, she had to completely rip it out and redo...

8:43 am

hokie carla

are you near Galax, mlfan?

8:43 am

Uneaixoise

I get them every year from The Peach Truck that makes the rounds in the area :-)

8:44 am

hokie carla

yeah, that's awful, cad

8:44 am

MLFAN17

thats terrible hokie

8:44 am

hokie carla

well, I wish I had a peach truck. we only get ice cream trucks

8:44 am

MLFAN17

over an hour from there

8:44 am

hokie carla

wow, really struggled with the u, and there it is

8:45 am

hokie carla

are you near stone mountain, mlfan? we like that campground

8:45 am

MLFAN17

i am not getting the word from the 4th column e?

8:45 am

hokie carla

I don't have that one either

8:46 am

CadFan

Nor I

8:46 am

mattygroves

It's a 6/24

8:46 am

hokie carla

matty!

8:46 am

MLFAN17

the only Stone mountain i know of is in Ga

8:46 am

Uneaixoise

On Wednesday and Saturday they park two blocks from my house for 4 hours :-)

8:46 am

mattygroves

Carla! ;)

8:47 am

hokie carla

oh, there's a really nice stone mountain state park in NC

8:47 am

MLFAN17

matty em or es?

8:47 am

MLFAN17

hi une

8:47 am

hokie carla

heavenly, une

8:47 am

BzznBea

I need some of those peaches for my peach jam.

8:47 am

mattygroves

em

8:47 am

hokie carla

it is near Roaring Gap, NC, mlfan

8:48 am

mattygroves

It'll make you puke when you find it

8:48 am

CadFan

Ahh I fund it

8:48 am

BzznBea

FaceTiming with granddaughter. She is picking out her clothes to wear today.

8:48 am

hokie carla

thx, matty

8:48 am

CadFan

found...

8:48 am

hokie carla

lol, nice pun

8:48 am

Uneaixoise

They also sell yummy peach jam made from their peaches!

8:48 am

hokie carla

why would you give it money, cad? :D

8:49 am

hokie carla

how old is she, bea?

8:49 am

BzznBea

She will be 7 in July.

8:49 am

hokie carla

aw, cute

8:49 am

periwinkle

hi all help with so7 or as7 pls

8:50 am

hokie carla

only have mo7 but will look, thx

8:50 am

periwinkle

I don't have mo7. I have ah7 an wo7

8:50 am

BzznBea

I usually make peach and blueberry jam for Christmas gifts. Not sure I will get any done this year.

8:51 am

periwinkle

I love jam is it hard to make?

8:51 am

hokie carla

well there's my missing w

8:51 am

periwinkle

rained some last night

8:51 am

periwinkle

rained some last night

8:51 am

periwinkle

it was my last w too

8:52 am

BzznBea

Jam isn't hard to make. Just time consuming.

8:52 am

hokie carla

and not seeing any of those

8:52 am

periwinkle

ok I may look into it

8:52 am

mattygroves

MO7 jacket (Farrah the runner's fur)

8:52 am

periwinkle

wo7 is a sad word

8:52 am

MLFAN17

not seeing the 7s mentioned either or that e

8:53 am

hokie carla

I have made strawberry jam

8:53 am

hokie carla

thx, peri

8:53 am

periwinkle

ty for mo7

8:53 am

periwinkle

yw carla

8:53 am

MLFAN17

ty for the wo7

8:54 am

periwinkle

ah6/7 are hindu words and have been in grids before but not often

8:54 am

MLFAN17

ty fo rthe mo 6/7

8:54 am

BzznBea

I'm off to do my weekly errands. See you all tomorrow.

8:54 am

hokie carla

yeah, bea mentioned them earlier but just not getting right now. that's okay, I'll keep looking.

8:55 am

hokie carla

bye, bea!

8:55 am

periwinkle

I am missing the following 7s: as, so and ri

8:55 am

hokie carla

I have all the r's and there isn't ri7

8:56 am

periwinkle

ok must have read earlier chat wrong

8:56 am

periwinkle

bl

9:00 am

hokie carla

kinda stuck at 37 left. need to do some other things. TTFN

9:01 am

moolingwa

morning all...just 209 left for me

9:03 am

MollyL

Really? That is amazing

9:03 am

Uneaixoise

Bea, my daughter lives in Maine and gives homemade blueberry bread for Xmas.....she and her honey pick LOTS! Love homemade gifts!

9:03 am

moolingwa

I know, right?

9:07 am

Uneaixoise

Oh, I see Bea already left....

9:12 am

M3

clue for the ah please

9:15 am

hokie carla

well, knocked a few things off my to-do list. guess what, it's pouring outside!

9:17 am

moolingwa

74 left here

9:19 am

HarryHood

corner O anybody?

9:20 am

moolingwa

think joints

9:20 am

phaeton

or5

9:20 am

moolingwa

mite

9:20 am

moolingwa

oops sorry

9:20 am

hokie carla

moo, if you're going to do that make it one I need

9:20 am

moolingwa

yeah :)

9:21 am

hokie carla

still have 10 4's here

9:22 am

moolingwa

22 4s left o0ut of 50 words

9:22 am

HarryHood

or5?

9:22 am

HarryHood

I must be blind

9:23 am

hokie carla

yes, correct. part of bone dr.

9:23 am

hokie carla

actually took me quite a while to see it earlier

9:23 am

HarryHood

grrr

9:23 am

HarryHood

got it. ty phae

9:23 am

moolingwa

it's kind of a non-word

9:23 am

phaeton

or...cons cons vowel

9:24 am

phaeton

or5 pedic

9:24 am

HarryHood

nbt, and 69 to go. gotta go slice the brisket.

9:24 am

MLFAN17

I didn't see the or word at first either

9:24 am

hokie carla

yeah, I'm surprised it is considered a word. enable is always full of surprises

9:26 am

phaeton

ah6?

9:26 am

hokie carla

bea said earlier it kinda sounds like a sneeze but that didn't help me

9:27 am

hokie carla

and someone else said it was hindi

9:27 am

doseffing

a + that guy over there + two letters from another word for to talk ... yes it's hindi

9:28 am

phaeton

ty

9:28 am

MLFAN17

ty dose

9:29 am

hurshy

don't you think if you had a non-alcoholic breakfast drink you could call it a simosa?

9:29 am

moolingwa

of maybe it's a computer generated samosa hursh

9:30 am

hurshy

sure, that too

9:31 am

Aloyisius

too bad "rimshot" is two words. Hi all

9:31 am

moolingwa

hey alo, happy thursday

9:32 am

Aloyisius

starting out well.. have internet back, yay. It went out on me yesterday and I had to call for a technician. Unbelievably, he was here at 8 am!

9:32 am

hokie carla

I already said rimshot! and my autocorrect is fine with it being one word.

9:32 am

hokie carla

wow, must not be spectrum

9:33 am

Aloyisius

lol, hokie.. husband is having fits with spectrum. (he is in Ohio)

9:34 am

hokie carla

they are the worst. well, technically I never had spectrum, but time warner.

9:35 am

hurshy

if a cat can't me4, you might say he's mewt

9:36 am

Aloyisius

good one, hurshy

9:36 am

hokie carla

cat's got his tongue

9:37 am

hokie carla

that's for the person who's not really mute, but just cat's got his tongue - mewt

9:37 am

Aloyisius

oughta be a word

9:38 am

hokie carla

seriously not seeing anything now and yet there are still 35 words left. back to my to-do list.

9:38 am

moolingwa

to make someone sober would be to desot them?

9:38 am

moolingwa

27 left here

9:38 am

zoozzoom

Ha I like that, Hurshy!

9:39 am

zoozzoom

shit

9:39 am

Aloyisius

ti4 to make our own dictionary

9:39 am

moolingwa

very expressive today zoo

9:39 am

rururocks

zooz said a nasty word

9:39 am

phaeton

help with the de6/33?

9:39 am

Aloyisius

pb for zooz

9:39 am

moolingwa

to deal with an escalated situation phae

9:39 am

rururocks

potty mouth !!! :D

9:40 am

zoozzoom

i am so so sorry everyone please accept my apologies if I offended anyone wrong box

9:40 am

zoozzoom

I will not chat ever again I am mortified.

9:40 am

Aloyisius

lol zooz.. what a t4 for the wrong box

9:40 am

rururocks

now i'll have to go to church zooz

9:41 am

phaeton

ty mool

9:41 am

moolingwa

yw

9:43 am

rururocks

<---wishes zooz posted the o in the corner

9:44 am

Aloyisius

straighten up and you will see it ru

9:44 am

moolingwa

or get one of those mattresses

9:44 am

hurshy

she means you should go see an or5pedist :D

9:45 am

Aloyisius

(bio term for straight) as grasshoppers belong to the order *****ptera, meaning straight wing

9:45 am

hokie carla

good grief, I check back in and am scandalized ;)

9:45 am

hurshy

ok, i have 3 M, 2 S, and 1 T left to find. and three of those six words are 7s

9:45 am

hokie carla

but thx for the de6, that was my missing d

9:45 am

rururocks

that was pretty funny.. i really hope zooz was kidding, it isn't a big deal

9:45 am

moolingwa

well there you go, I've now learned how to order a grasshopper

9:46 am

hokie carla

I'm still always mad shite isn't on the list

9:46 am

Kaplan the Magne

Why is "je***" a word? A verb?

9:47 am

moolingwa

yes, it's a derogatory term Kap

9:47 am

hurshy

yes - it is an offensive term for arguing down a price on something you wish to purchase

9:47 am

hokie carla

yeah, didn't we have it recently. yes, it's a slur but accepted by enable.

9:47 am

Aloyisius

yes, it is a cool fact that during the days of polio, the medical specialty of *****pedics developed to straighten children's limbs

9:47 am

doseffing

... a very pejorative verb ... an unpleasant in the extreme usage

9:47 am

moolingwa

coincidentally, it's one of the words that drove the formation of Enable dictionary

9:47 am

doseffing

... means cheap or stingy

9:47 am

hurshy

so, is there a T7 ?

9:47 am

MLFAN17

ty for the de6

9:48 am

Aloyisius

yes, hurshy

9:48 am

moolingwa

I have one T left...no 7s yet, but possible the last one is :)

9:49 am

hokie carla

I still have 3 t's. apparently one is a 7. :D

9:49 am

moolingwa

yeah, apparently my one last one is a 7

9:49 am

moolingwa

found it

9:49 am

Aloyisius

me too

9:49 am

MollyL

It's a weird word

9:49 am

MLFAN17

mool is it a compound word?

9:49 am

Kaplan the Magne

Je5 should be removed from the dictionary.

9:50 am

hurshy

offensive words do not get removed from dictionaries, because dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.

9:50 am

Aloyisius

2 m's left here

9:50 am

moolingwa

Well there was a movement in the 90s to remove a bunch of words

9:50 am

hokie carla

is it a regular word, the t7?

9:50 am

moolingwa

No hoke

9:50 am

Aloyisius

no hokie..

9:50 am

hokie carla

kthx

9:50 am

hurshy

who wants to clue it then? :D

9:50 am

MollyL

That is a very good way to explain that Hurshy, thank you.

9:51 am

MLFAN17

and its not a compound?

9:51 am

Aloyisius

in fact, hokie is not having a gorg**** weather day today

9:51 am

moolingwa

Not a compound

9:51 am

Aloyisius

use that ending

9:51 am

Gillie

It's apparently a Scottish term meaning "timely".

9:51 am

hokie carla

got it thx

9:51 am

Aloyisius

yw (-:

9:51 am

MollyL

Rats, I actually had a clue that didn't involve stars. ***

9:51 am

hurshy

oh those scots, you can always count on them for cute words

9:51 am

hokie carla

of course it is, gillie :D

9:51 am

Kaplan the Magne

The enable dictionary. The standard dictionary would have it named as an anti-Semitic term, just as it would label the n word, if it is included. Hang on, I'm going to get my dictionary from upstairs.

9:51 am

moolingwa

och aye

9:52 am

MLFAN17

ty

9:52 am

hurshy

and how about M? one or two 7s there, yes?

9:53 am

hokie carla

I have 2

9:53 am

moolingwa

I have one m7 so far

9:53 am

hurshy

weird or normal? :D

9:53 am

MLFAN17

I have mo

9:53 am

MollyL

There is no Enable dictionary. Enable is a word list.

9:53 am

hokie carla

no, I mean 1

9:53 am

hokie carla

it's a pl, of a halfway normal word - think jacket fabric

9:54 am

MLFAN17

yep hokie has the one I do mo7

9:54 am

moolingwa

same one I have

9:54 am

hurshy

thank you! done with M now!

9:54 am

hokie carla

geez, I still have 6 m's!

9:54 am

Aloyisius

I remember mo6 sweaters

9:54 am

moolingwa

3 m's left here

9:55 am

hurshy

and that leaves S. i have so 7/32, stats for the other 7?

9:55 am

MLFAN17

only one m 7 word

9:55 am

Judi

Hiyas, neighbors!

9:55 am

hokie carla

boy, zooz really did disappear from the chat

9:55 am

moolingwa

6 s's tho

9:55 am

hurshy

yeah M was the hardest letter for me today

9:55 am

rururocks

i wish i had mo6

9:55 am

moolingwa

hats are good ru

9:55 am

hokie carla

you are bald, ru?

9:55 am

Aloyisius

fw.. lol ru.. poof

9:55 am

MollyL

so7/28

9:56 am

rururocks

some

9:56 am

hurshy

thanks molly

9:56 am

rururocks

now joining zooz

9:56 am

hurshy

and now i will monkey my last s4

9:56 am

hokie carla

are you giving us a word or answering my ??

9:57 am

moolingwa

tx molly

9:57 am

hurshy

done!

9:57 am

moolingwa

gg hursh

9:57 am

hokie carla

can someone just tell me which s that's from? I have like a million s's left

9:58 am

MLFAN17

same here

9:58 am

moolingwa

second column

9:58 am

hurshy

is anyone here a fan of red rose tea? and have you tried both their original and English Breakfast blends? and can you describe the difference if so?

9:58 am

Kaplan the Magne

There is no verb "jew" in the American Heritage Dictionary of 2007. There are some anti Italian slurs in Enable also. Who is responsible for enable? It's just not the first word I want to see in the grid in the morning. Sorry for grump, but it is a nasty stereotype.

9:58 am

hokie carla

I'm guessing not a regular word

9:58 am

hurshy

so7/28 = so + ceremonies

9:59 am

MLFAN17

not me hurshy

9:59 am

hokie carla

I don't know if enable has been updated in years, but if it had you'd have to take it up with Dr. God who runs this website to update it here.

9:59 am

moolingwa

they're using the 1998 version as far as I can telll

9:59 am

hokie carla

thx, hurshy

9:59 am

moolingwa

there are newer versions out there

10:00 am

hokie carla

I love that you can tell which one is here :D

10:00 am

hurshy

doc won't do anything. he added stent for us once but we really had to push hard for that, and i don't think he's as into maintaining this site as he used to be anyway

10:00 am

hokie carla

I think he's been pretty hands off for years

10:01 am

hurshy

yeah

10:01 am

Kaplan the Magne

"Jewing down" is an old slur. It wouldn't have been added after 2007.

10:01 am

Judi

"Toosh" is also in the grid. I'm sure Dr. God is also hands off when it comes to that word too.

10:01 am

hurshy

well print dictionaries all leave some things out, and idk how they choose, except for the OED which is as a result massively larger than ordinary home dictionaries

10:02 am

MollyL

Dr. God has nothing to do with Enable. This game just uses it for it's word base. So does Words With Friends, I think.

10:02 am

hokie carla

I'm going to guess "gypped" is on the list too, and we know the n word is there, along with some italian ones.

10:03 am

Kaplan the Magne

Not the same caliber. To Jew someone down is an centuries old stereotype of the devious bargaining and cheap jew. Toosh is the same as an arse. It doesn't endorse antisemitism.

10:03 am

hurshy

all i know is, a word in a word list merely means that it exists, and pretending it doesn't exist wouldn't make it so, or stop people from using it if they are icky people.

10:03 am

Judi

Unfortunately, as long as there are racists and bigots in the world, these archaic terms will not go away.

10:04 am

MollyL

A dictionary defines. It is there for people who want to know what words mean. A dictionary does not pass judgment on words.

10:04 am

hokie carla

I'm not trying to be annoying, just want to understand - when you said you don't want to see it first thing in the grid, are you saying you wouldn't want this grid even here? because whether it's on the list or not, you'll still see it in the grid.

10:04 am

hurshy

note my highly sophisticated technical use of the phrase "icky people"

10:05 am

MollyL

I was impressed Hursh

10:05 am

hurshy

*bow*

10:05 am

Judi

Tsk. Such a broad term, Molly. :-P

10:05 am

Judi

I mean Hurshy. Uhg. Can't read.

10:06 am

MollyL

If you do a Google search on the phrase jewed down there is a ton of definition and explanation. Most of it refers to the term as offensive.

10:07 am

Kaplan the Magne

Gypped is there, and I think I have seen surprising anti Italian slurs. There are other "offensive" but not race-ethnic related words that are excluded from Enable. Enable is somebody's construct, and as such I think those words should not be legitimized. I know Enable includes Spic. Should it then include the n word because it's just a word that people use and is in some dictionaries? Is anyone with me on this? That's right Molly, the word should not be legitimized as an accepted verb.

10:08 am

hurshy

we must all strive to teach people to be loving, and then these words will naturally fade away, and if people then see them in dictionaries, they will wonder at the baseness of the humans who came before them

10:08 am

hurshy

for out of the heart, the mouth speaks

10:10 am

hurshy

i UNDERSTAND why you feel that way, kap. but i can't agree. because i feel that the word is only a symptom of the problem. all it does is remind you of a harsh reality of the world. if i wake up and see a dead bird out my window, that has the same effect, reminding me of death. but if i didn't happen to see that bird, it wouldn't change the fact that death exists, it would simply avoid bringing it into my mind at that particular moment.

10:10 am

hokie carla

yes, Enable is someone's construct and even the non-offensive words they chose and those they left out are a mystery

10:10 am

MRSWHISKI2

how do I find the "enable" dictionary everyone is talking about?

10:10 am

hokie carla

google enable list

10:10 am

Kaplan the Magne

Yeah, but I'm playing a word game, and it includes hebe, spic, gypped , jewed etc. I think the mystery is lack of awareness.

10:11 am

MRSWHISKI2

thank you

10:11 am

hokie carla

or better, enable word list

10:11 am

hurshy

it's not that they weren't aware that these were offensive words, i'm pretty sure

10:11 am

rururocks

i think the enable people are a bunch of right wing racists

10:11 am

hurshy

lol ru

10:11 am

Kaplan the Magne

Let me know when you find it.

10:12 am

hokie carla

I think they're a bunch of scots with vast knowledge of botany, chemistry, geology

10:12 am

Judi

LOL, Ru! No no no no no!

10:12 am

Kaplan the Magne

Paddy wagons.

10:12 am

hurshy

don't forget world currency, hokie

10:12 am

rururocks

with their Enable tiki torches

10:12 am

hurshy

we should also remove "hysterical" then, based on the word "uterus" and a stereotype of women as overly emotional...

10:13 am

hokie carla

ah yes, how could I forget coins from non-english nations

10:13 am

Kaplan the Magne

I have been entertaining myself during the pandemic by watching episodes of "Get Smart." All of the KAOS agents are swarthy suspicious looking Orientals.

10:14 am

hurshy

that sucks kap :(

10:14 am

Judi

And curse words should also be removed, such as the one in this grid. Who ever needs a fecal reminder??

10:14 am

hokie carla

I have an older neighbor (70s) who is half Chinese, half Belgian, and he used Orientals in a convo one day with me.

10:15 am

hokie carla

but shite should be added. I mean, the scots made the list, how is it not?

10:15 am

rururocks

don't be an ass judi..

10:15 am

Judi

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

10:15 am

moolingwa

A purge was tried before: here's an article if you're interested: https://tinyurl.com/y7ztfrwx

10:16 am

Kaplan the Magne

Oh, no--they're so funny. I crack up every night. In other words, I'M LOVING IT. Would you believe it distracts me from the pandemic? Would you believe I'm just dumb?

10:16 am

hurshy

but, one can at least celebrate the progress we've made and hopefully will continue to make. chris rock says, there's no such thing as black progress. white people were crazy, now they're a little less crazy. that's white progress. i think that's pretty insightful.

10:16 am

moolingwa

The Maltese Falcon is another one that hasn't aged well...or blazing saddles for that matter

10:16 am

Judi

Get Smart is an awesome classic show, Kap. Have to tell hubby we should binge watch it.

10:17 am

Kaplan the Magne

How many of you thought when you got the je6 that it was questionable?

10:17 am

hokie carla

just watched blazing saddles very recently. I said, no way would this movie get made today.

10:17 am

hurshy

i get uncomfortable watching "It's a Wonderful Life" these days too...

10:18 am

Kaplan the Magne

It's so freaking funny and I remember all the 6th grade boys having a crush on Barbara Feldon, 99. Her style is still cool.

10:18 am

MollyL

I did not think the word is questionable. No more than I think whop or dago or hebe is questionable. Offensive, yes. But they are legitimate words.

10:19 am

Judi

Mel Brooks knew no boundaries. I remind you of the musical within a musical: "Springtime for Hitler" in "The Producers". Outrageous, and still a Broadway smash.

10:19 am

rururocks

questionable only if you add on stupid road kill molly

10:19 am

moolingwa

No need to call Molly road kill ru

10:20 am

hokie carla

Kap, I knew it was derogatory but I guess I didn't question it since I knew all the other derogatory ones were on there. you can't really censor history. I liked hurshy's dead bird thing. just because a word is horribly offensive doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

10:20 am

rururocks

i get offended by dickhead

10:21 am

hurshy

my cat opie thinks the dictionary is just redundant. why do we have both the word "love" and the word "petting" when they mean the exact same thing?

10:21 am

hokie carla

and I have to add I have never seen hebe before. also was an adult before I ever heard/saw dago

10:21 am

Kaplan the Magne

I am not having a problem with Get Smart. It got me through my pneumonia/likely Covid. I have a problem with the word Jewed being in the grid same as I would have with nigger. Ah, Enable has a boundary. The word exists,. The question is, should we get points for legitimizing it?

10:21 am

moolingwa

I'm often offended by dickheads too

10:21 am

rururocks

imagine how difficult sex would be if that were true

10:21 am

moolingwa

but they do exist

10:21 am

rururocks

yeah we have one for a president

10:22 am

Kaplan the Magne

When you get points for finding dickhead in Babble, I will come after you, putz!

10:22 am

moolingwa

and yet schlonghead is not acceptable

10:22 am

Judi

Now now. Let's not get polidickal.

10:23 am

hokie carla

I'm not sure how typing it in here is legitimizing it. Yeah, using it in context in writing or conversation would be.

10:23 am

MollyL

I think if those kinds of words bother someone that much, the only thing they can do in objection is to not play the game that "gives points" for them.

10:23 am

hokie carla

y'all about to trigger some people up in here ;)

10:24 am

MollyL

Doesn't take much, Carla

10:24 am

Kaplan the Magne

I know of someone who said "this guy tried to Jew me down" at a family dinner, and his father became outraged. It was then that they learned that the father was secretly a Jew (his mother was Jewish."

10:24 am

rururocks

now that's offensive kap

10:25 am

rururocks

i would have blasted him

10:25 am

Kaplan the Magne

Oh, I shouldn't play the game because I am confronted by a vicious stereotype at a time when hate crimes are on the rise

10:25 am

Judi

I guess he wasn't a secret after that dinner. I would have blown a gasket too.

10:25 am

hokie carla

my cousin said the slang for brazil nuts at a work thing to her boss (she is in HR!) and he was like, uh, you really shouldn't call them that. She had no idea they were actually called Brazil nuts!

10:26 am

hurshy

but that's the thing, people being offensive is what makes it offensive. no combination of letters gets to be offensive on its own. shorn of context and intent, it ceases to offend.

10:26 am

moolingwa

For instance Zoo's unfortunate event earlier

10:26 am

hokie carla

that's what I was trying to get at - a word without context is just letters

10:26 am

rururocks

my Dad use to say that hokie and i would just tell him what a f-ing jerk he was.. he was really racist

10:27 am

moolingwa

If he had intended to curse at us then that is an entirely different context than simply typing the word he was looking for in the wrong window

10:27 am

hurshy

you can also just not enter the words you don't like if that makes you feel any better. mab said she was not going to enter cu4 one time, but i think she may have felt less strongly after hearing my arguments on the subject. (pats self on back)

10:28 am

MollyL

*Had to look up slang for Brazil nuts

10:28 am

rururocks

there's another word that makes me uncomfortable

10:28 am

hurshy

i'm going to leave myself in blissful ignorance about the brazil nut thing

10:29 am

Kaplan the Magne

I can't go the distance with you on this one harsh. There is no alternate miles meaning to jew as a verb. I wonder how many people filling in that word are aware of the nasty Jew characters conjured up--the hook nosed capitalist (who is also a communist) will try to bargain you down to nothing. If you thought of it as a reasonable word, you should at least know its history. Just like if "nigra" was here.

10:29 am

MollyL

Here is my opinion on why women hate the c4 word. It's the big gun. The one men bring out in fights when they want to really come down hard. If women would stop being bothered by it, they would stop using it.

10:30 am

rururocks

i don't use that word.. like ever

10:30 am

Judi

We all must remember, Babble is a randomized Scrabble-Boggle-like tiled game. The tiles come up randomly not deliberately. So, there is never an intent to offend in the grid. Offense is in the view and opinion of the beholder. Everyone is entitled to same.

10:30 am

hokie carla

but only here, molly. the women in the UK don't seem to care. and it doesn't bother me either FTR.

10:30 am

Kaplan the Magne

Oh the cu word.

10:30 am

rururocks

FTR?

10:31 am

hurshy

i don't think it's an inoffensive or reasonable word, kap. i just think it's a word.

10:31 am

rururocks

<---wishes hokie would just spell things out

10:31 am

hokie carla

for the record, we've explained this before

10:31 am

hurshy

For The Record

10:31 am

MollyL

Oh God, me too

10:31 am

hokie carla

I shall use acronyms for everything now just for molly and ru

10:31 am

Judi

Can we talk about cupcakes or kittens now, please?

10:32 am

rururocks

i really don't feel like deciphering abbreviations this early in the morning

10:32 am

hokie carla

I think this has been a very reasonable discussion here

10:32 am

MollyL

I know all about the history of the j word and it doesn't bother me. I don't use it and I don't believe in what it means.

10:32 am

hurshy

i think it is great that we are disagreeing and making rational arguments and not getting angry with each other. civil disagreement is so fab. :D

10:32 am

Kaplan the Magne

The grid has no intent. I'm not an idiot. It's more on the beholders. Am I the only one who had a reaction to "Jewed" as just another word?

10:33 am

MollyL

It has been a reasonable discussion Carla. That is because no one is accusing people of things they didn't say and throwing the term racist around.

10:33 am

hokie carla

:D

10:33 am

hokie carla

I don't know, ru called his dad one

10:34 am

rururocks

at least in this context it would be considered racist

10:34 am

rururocks

my dad was one

10:34 am

Roses6

I have a hard time with that word too Kap, but it is a word.

10:34 am

Kaplan the Magne

I play other word games like words with friends and none of these questionable words are recognized by its dictionary.

10:34 am

MollyL

I will make an exception for that because Ru's Dad is not a part of this discussion.

10:34 am

rururocks

my mother was one too

10:34 am

hokie carla

actually I think WWF uses enable too

10:34 am

Krysten

Is it too creepy for me to admit that I love being a lurker in the chat. I love the discussions that happen here! :)

10:35 am

hokie carla

but I would never make the word in WWF because it wouldn't occur to me to use it

10:35 am

rururocks

just try to use it in scrabble hokie

10:35 am

hurshy

well, it's also reasonable to call someone a racist if they are actually being racist. here, nobody is, and that's why it's good people aren't saying it.

10:35 am

hokie carla

stalker alert! howdy krysten.

10:35 am

Judi

Krysten has outed herself. Very brave of you, Krysten. Welcome aboard.

10:36 am

rururocks

well you should have been here the other day hursh... you might not have made that comment

10:36 am

hokie carla

true

10:36 am

Krysten

Thanks. I have loved this game for years but my work blocked the site.

10:36 am

MollyL

I am no fan of the word, but I would play it in Scrabble on a Double or Triple Word score.

10:37 am

hurshy

but kap, may i venture to submit that if you were asian you might be more bothered by the Get Smart thing. our personal distance from or closeness to and familiarity with particular prejudices and stereotypes can't be the determining factor in how we treat each one.

10:37 am

Kaplan the Magne

I don't think so...about wwf. Lurker! That's offensive! No really- there are also code stereotypes, and sometimes don't get recognized. I remember once in the chat we were talking about singers, and someone said she or he couldn't stand Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand because they were abrasive and aggressive, and to me that was Code Red- activate the Cone of Silence.

10:38 am

Kaplan the Magne

On a triple word score would I take what I can get, and if I did so, would I be a hypocrite?

10:38 am

hurshy

we will treat that as a merely rhetorical question

10:39 am

hurshy

:D

10:40 am

hokie carla

I don't think I've found or even looked for a word in an hour.

10:40 am

MollyL

I don't get it. I don't think abrasive/aggressive = Jewish. There are plenty of non-Jewish women who are abrasive and aggressive.

10:41 am

hokie carla

me either, but I also don't get how a singer can be aggressive or abrasive

10:41 am

hurshy

i am not sure she meant to connect that to Jewishness - just ideas about how women should or shouldn't be?

10:41 am

MollyL

Oh I totally get the comment. And it isn't about the way those women sing, it is about the way they act.

10:41 am

Kaplan the Magne

If I were Asian or Latino I would be totally irked by Get Smart. The whole thing is so politically incorrect, sexist, stereotypic, and dated. It's also very Mel Brooks and you can see the seeds of Young Frankenstein. It was about the forces of good vs. the forces of Evil, and satirized the Cold War. Ah, the good old days. 1966. MAGA.

10:42 am

Krysten

I just think that strong, assertive and confident women sometimes get labeled as abrasive or aggressive.

10:43 am

MollyL

Some strong, assertive and confident women. I don't think of Condoleeza Rice as abrasive or aggressive.

10:43 am

MLFAN17

judi are you making any cupcakes for me?

10:43 am

hurshy

i love cuppycakes

10:43 am

Kaplan the Magne

Oh, no- it's entirely code for Jewish woman from New York, usually Jewish. I have gotten it myself: "You're from New York? You don't seem like it." And- I thought you were something exotic, but you're just Jewish."

10:44 am

MLFAN17

me too hurshy

10:44 am

Kaplan the Magne

I am a diehard Bette Midler fan. I have seen her twice, including in the mid-seventies on Broadway.

10:45 am

Judi

*jaw gapes* Omigod, Kap. Can't believe someone actually said that to you.

10:45 am

hokie carla

is yenta offensive? my kids learned that on The Goldbergs and love to call me that.

10:45 am

hokie carla

I like Bette and Babs

10:45 am

MLFAN17

Kaplan I love her too you are so lucky to have seen her on broadway!

10:46 am

Kaplan the Magne

Condoleezza Rice is a person I don't want to discuss. Partly because of what Biden said.

10:46 am

MollyL

I know a lot of assertive/aggressive women and only one of them is Jewish. And if you called her either of those things, she would take it as a compliment.

10:47 am

hokie carla

and TBF (to be fair) "you don't seem like you're from NY" doesn't have to mean they thought you were Jewish.

10:47 am

Kaplan the Magne

I saw her in Clams on the Half Shell Revue in 1975, when she did her Sophie Tucker , and then twice more.

10:47 am

Judi

You're either from New York or you're from New Yawk.

10:48 am

Kaplan the Magne

Oh, it's code. Listen to Lenny Bruce. In New York everyone is Jewish even if they're not, and in Minnesota no one is Jewish even if they are.

10:48 am

Judi

60 left. Time for a break from this, then lunch. See y'all later. *PEUFF*

10:48 am

Kaplan the Magne

The New York thing is more subtle and not intentional.

10:49 am

hokie carla

that's interesting, because I wouldn't think that at all.

10:50 am

Kaplan the Magne

Watch Mrs America about Phyllis Schlafly and get a read on Bella Abzug, Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan.

10:50 am

hokie carla

maybe it's because I didn't grow up with any jewish people or anywhere near NY but I don't automatically think of NY'ers being jewish. it actually doesn't occur to me one way or the other.

10:51 am

hurshy

yeah i just think of NYC as being incredibly diverse...

10:51 am

hokie carla

same

10:52 am

Kaplan the Magne

Different background, different family legends, different experiences. My father used to be anxious if a business trip took him to OK, because he felt that people were looking for his horns.

10:52 am

MollyL

I can't speak for what another person means when they say something. I do that that often intention is assigned when there is none.

10:53 am

HarryHood

ooh a sociological discussion! I feel like the Kennedys!

10:53 am

hokie carla

welcome, harry

10:53 am

Kaplan the Magne

I've been doing a lot of family history this week so I am alerted to the history. And people should be interested in knowing what their words might mean to others.

10:53 am

HarryHood

HI :)

10:54 am

HarryHood

I grew up in Queens. And I'm not too assertive. or pushy.

10:54 am

HarryHood

But I was extremely disturbed by the profile of somebody who was making alot of noise here the other day.

10:55 am

hurshy

but kap, it does seem like maybe you're more concerned about some offensive stereotypes than others, simply because you are more familiar with them, and they are more personal to you

10:55 am

MollyL

Well Harry, all I can say about that is, consider the source.

10:56 am

hokie carla

back off, harry!

10:56 am

HarryHood

I wasn't here for the discussion. But it's really awful.

10:57 am

hokie carla

(joking about you not being assertive or pushy)

10:57 am

HarryHood

got it.

10:58 am

HarryHood

People were having a very hard time figuring out the character of George Castanza in Seinfeld. He's SO new york and his parents are SO pushy, how could he not be Jewish?

10:58 am

hokie carla

he's also neurotic

10:59 am

HarryHood

He is the epitome of the Woody Allen protagonist

10:59 am

Kaplan the Magne

Of course some things are more personal, but I referred below to the many offensive ethnic stereotypes in the grid.

11:00 am

Kaplan the Magne

Costanza is a Greek Jewish name and Jason Alexander is of Greek Jewish decent.

11:00 am

Kaplan the Magne

descent

11:00 am

hokie carla

RIP Jerry Stiller

11:00 am

MollyL

My feeling is that a word or phrase is "offensive" if it is used to describe someone. If it just randomly occurs in a word game, I don't have a problem with it.

11:01 am

hurshy

you did, kap, but your admissions about Get Smart...

11:01 am

Kaplan the Magne

Harvey Weinstein was 3 grades ahead of me at my now defunct junior high school in Queens

11:01 am

HarryHood

little known fact - for a few months in the late 80s I was an actuary, and was the administrator of the Stiller-Meara pension fund.

11:02 am

hokie carla

was talking to my neighbor the other day whose parents are Filipino, and she grew up in WV. She said her driver's license said O on it for "other" but she always thought it was for oriental. :D

11:02 am

Kaplan the Magne

Not admissions, just the amazement about what was acceptable at the time. I'm a fanatic historian of the history of racial typecasting in Hollywood.

11:02 am

HarryHood

that's hilarious

11:02 am

hokie carla

wow, I always thought actuary would be a pretty boring job

11:03 am

HarryHood

it was awful. a miserable time in my life

11:03 am

hurshy

but kap, you watch it with amazement rather than the wounded feelings which seem to have arisen for you with the je5

11:04 am

hurshy

if you watch things from the past that use the j word, are you as simply amazed about what was acceptable at the time?

11:04 am

hokie carla

Kap, you should check out the doc called Hillbilly. I think it is on hulu. It has a great montage of how hillbillies have been portrayed over the years by Hollywood.

11:04 am

HarryHood

je5 is particularly pejorative, rather than descriptive

11:04 am

Kaplan the Magne

My admissions about Get Smart were partly that the whole entire show was so ridiculous. It took everything to the absurd level.

11:05 am

hurshy

so let's hypothesize a Get Smart where the j word is used, in a similarly absurd/ridiculous show

11:05 am

HarryHood

south park

11:07 am

Kaplan the Magne

That's not what I'm saying Hursh.

11:07 am

hokie carla

now I have the south park theme song stuck in my head, HH

11:07 am

HarryHood

Primus sucks

11:08 am

hurshy

well it's what i'm wondering. what would your reaction be to a Get Smart like i just described?

11:08 am

hokie carla

haha

11:08 am

hokie carla

I forgot that was them

11:09 am

HarryHood

58 still to go. I have to go cook - 2 day holiday starting tonight

11:09 am

hokie carla

I went to the list at 32. not seeing them today.

11:09 am

HarryHood

enjoy the day everybody.

11:10 am

Kaplan the Magne

It was a spoof against the Cold War, the CIA, the Forces of Good vs. everything Bad & Rotten. It was also a satire of Hollywood.

11:10 am

hokie carla

you too

11:10 am

hurshy

so you would not be bothered by a spoof/absurd/ridiculous show that used the je5?

11:12 am

hokie carla

wow, can't even find a 4 with the list. baffling.

11:12 am

Kaplan the Magne

For instance, did anyone know that Lena Horne was denied the part of the mixed-race Julie in Show Boat because MGM would not allow a mixed race couple on screen, so they used AVA Gardner and darkened her skin? Same with Natalie Wood in West Side Story? and they dubbed Rita Moreno in WWS using someone with an accent that was more Cheeto Bandito than Puerto Rican?

11:13 am

hokie carla

of course it was one of the millions of alt sp of cat sound

11:13 am

hokie carla

well, they always used italians for indians in westerns too. lots of questionable things in hollywood in the past.

11:14 am

moolingwa

of course

11:14 am

moolingwa

13 left here

11:15 am

moolingwa

6 are 4s

11:15 am

hokie carla

did you finish the m's, moo? still have 2 I can't find with the list but don't want to accidentally tip you off.

11:16 am

hokie carla

I also have 6 4s left

11:16 am

moolingwa

3 still left, have been on calls so no real progress

11:16 am

hokie carla

ok

11:17 am

moolingwa

12 now, found one of those 4s :)

11:17 am

hokie carla

will go back to my m's

11:18 am

Kaplan the Magne

I think you're misinterpreting my misinterpretations. My only objection is that I am bothered by "jewed" in the grid because it is not a joke or a spoof, and Enable legitimizes it.Get Smart is of the Stiller & Meara era, and the era of Borscht Belt comedy, which was funny but inappropriate for today.

11:18 am

moolingwa

Enable doesn't legitimize it though

11:19 am

moolingwa

Enable is built of several leading US dictionaries

11:19 am

moolingwa

It's merely a derivative of those dictionaries

11:19 am

hokie carla

I think I see what you are saying. the word is inappropriate for today so it shouldn't be in a game today. I still think in this context it's just letters though.

11:19 am

moolingwa

All it asks is, is it a word that can be defined in the dictionary and is not an abbreviation or a proper noun

11:20 am

hokie carla

or contraction

11:20 am

moolingwa

yes, or contraction

11:21 am

moolingwa

It's a very objective approach...the alternative is coming up with a list of definable words that is subjectively censored

11:23 am

moolingwa

So words like hobo, troglodyte, hillbilly, redneck, faggot, gay...even things like wench, poof, hick etc are offensive in some form or fashion to some portion of the population at large

11:23 am

MollyL

It is a legitimate word. So are all the other offensive ones. They are words, whether a person finds then offensive or not.

11:23 am

hokie carla

I feel like a sh4 for not seeing sh4

11:23 am

MollyL

*them

11:24 am

hokie carla

I actually do get offended by "mouth-breather" because I have a deviated septum and breathe through my mouth a lot :D

11:24 am

moolingwa

If you were to go on a game like Roblox, they go the other extreme and filter out almost every word that someone finds offensive and it has some interesting affects, but it's also not a game about words per se, so it's not impactful to the game insomuch as that it prevents you mostly form using that sequence of letters in your name

11:26 am

hokie carla

I tried to use the word balls for spherical sports objects in the serpentine chat and it got censored.

11:27 am

moolingwa

I understand the word is offensive, as are many others. I Understand also that when used purposefully or even carelessly it can offend others and I would not use those words in written or spoken dialog, but as others have pointed out earlier, it's the context and intent that defines a word's offensively

11:28 am

LAT70

mirs

11:28 am

hokie carla

omg, one of my missing 4's was a word I use 1000x/day

11:28 am

amelu0218

sh4?

11:29 am

hokie carla

th4

11:29 am

moolingwa

heh

11:29 am

moolingwa

thom

11:30 am

M3

ah clue please

11:30 am

moolingwa

thmo

11:30 am

moolingwa

heh, that inadvertantly lead me to a word

11:30 am

hokie carla

for a 4? it's a very common word, no clue needed

11:31 am

hokie carla

that was the one earlier I said I felt like a sh4

11:31 am

moolingwa

10 to go...3 are 4s

11:31 am

moolingwa

oh, thought you meant zoo's word ;)

11:31 am

M3

ah 6 :)

11:31 am

hokie carla

you know, joe sh4

11:32 am

hokie carla

4 left here, 2 s's and 2 m's. I know where they fall in alphabetical order and can't find.

11:32 am

moolingwa

9 here

11:33 am

moolingwa

A, M, M, M, O, S, S, S, W

11:33 am

hokie carla

how are you on 7's?

11:33 am

moolingwa

one to go

11:34 am

hokie carla

I know which one unless one of your missing 4's is a gimme

11:34 am

moolingwa

probably is

11:34 am

moolingwa

found some easies in my last few

11:35 am

hokie carla

I am still missing a 7 that appears to be a pl

11:35 am

moolingwa

well, that's one S

11:35 am

Kaplan the Magne

a faggot is a bunch of sticks. I fag is British for cigarette. Poof- it's magic. Jewed has no other meaning. I should get back to the grid. If anyone has Amazon Prime go back and watch Get Smart and see how silly and slapsticly the whole thing is.

11:35 am

moolingwa

8 to go

11:36 am

hokie carla

kap, did you see my comment about the hillbilly doc?

11:36 am

moolingwa

actually a fagot is a bunch of sticks

11:37 am

rururocks

do fagots use tinder?

11:37 am

hokie carla

I thought it was a word with alt sp?

11:37 am

moolingwa

Pretty sure two different words, but let me check

11:37 am

hokie carla

I guess if they want to burn

11:37 am

moolingwa

No you're right hoke

11:37 am

Kaplan the Magne

Corrected. But give me a fag.

11:38 am

Kaplan the Magne

Let me look back about the hillbilly.

11:38 am

hokie carla

was just saying this doc has a good montage about hillbillies portrayed in hollywood through the years

11:39 am

moolingwa

interestingly, there's some though that faggot was used to refer to the wood bundle used to burn heretics...

11:40 am

hokie carla

that is interesting if that's the origin of the derogatory version

11:40 am

rururocks

another word I don't use ever

11:40 am

Kaplan the Magne

I might have missed it. EVERYthing we grew up with is questionable. The Beverly Hillbillies? Petticoat Junction? Greenacres? Get Smart was also spoofing shows like The Man from U.N.C.L.E.

11:40 am

moolingwa

Well fag was also a term used in UK private boys schools for a junior who did work for seniors

11:40 am

moolingwa

or tasks anyway

11:40 am

Kaplan the Magne

That's suggestive...

11:41 am

moolingwa

Also may have got mixed with the Yiddish word faygele which is a term for a homosexual

11:41 am

moolingwa

Words often morph meanings or get combined/misspelled/altered over time

11:41 am

hokie carla

I'm going to break down and look up my last 2 combos.

11:42 am

Kaplan the Magne

Faygele is literally a little bird, but got used as a gay slur.

11:42 am

rururocks

i read back..kap.. i love bette Midler, Barbara i can take or leave

11:42 am

moolingwa

right

11:42 am

kittychan

that ah is not a common word - was it a joke to say it doesn't need to be clued?

11:43 am

Kaplan the Magne

I like the story of when they asked Streisand to change her name, she did--she took out the 2nd a in Barbara.

11:43 am

hokie carla

are you referring to me? I didn't see a request for that, I thought someone asked me to clue th4 and I said it wasn't necessary

11:44 am

kittychan

I thought you asked for the clue and someone else said it didn't need to be - must have been mistaken

11:44 am

moolingwa

ah definitely needs to be clued :)

11:44 am

moolingwa

unless you're a follower of hinduism I guess

11:44 am

moolingwa

Or maybe a theologist

11:44 am

hokie carla

yeah, I had to use a clue earlier for it

11:44 am

Kaplan the Magne

Jewed is not a word with a morphed meaning. Gay and queer are. I am a fan of Hollywood musicals and it's amazing how gay they were when people were still in the closet. I will try to grab a scene for you brb.

11:45 am

moolingwa

or maybe you're just philosophically-curious

11:45 am

hokie carla

have been here way too long today but enjoying the "socializing"

11:45 am

Kaplan the Magne

https://www.youtube.com/results?search\n_query=jane+russell+ain%27t+there+anyo\nne+here+for+love

11:46 am

moolingwa

Why does whether it morph or not matter?

11:46 am

hokie carla

wow, last two words I should have seen before resorting to looking them up

11:46 am

moolingwa

Is now the term "spaz" or "retarded" offensive to some or many?

11:47 am

moolingwa

now=not

11:47 am

hokie carla

well there is a big movement against "retarded"

11:47 am

hokie carla

spaz, I don't think would offend people. I mean I think I'm kind of a spaz.

11:48 am

Kaplan the Magne

Retard has a meaning, and is a word that means to slow down. A process can be retarded by the weather. But no, people can't call each other retards.

11:48 am

moolingwa

But if you suffered from spasticity would it not be offensive?

11:48 am

rururocks

retarded offends me

11:48 am

hokie carla

as a child of the 80s it is hard to not use retarded, but not in the context of down's syndrome

11:48 am

bichon

I think the word now is "intellectually disabled"

11:49 am

Kaplan the Magne

But JEW as a verb has no meaning other than one's ethnic predisposition for cheating.

11:49 am

Kaplan the Magne

Differently abled.

11:49 am

moolingwa

Spaz is similar no?

11:49 am

hokie carla

I thought it meant to haggle a price down but that's neither here nor there

11:50 am

hokie carla

spaz makes me think of the nerd in Meatballs

11:50 am

moolingwa

What about shortstuff, or shortie?

11:50 am

bichon

I think the worst one is "gonna get me a Jew lawyer"

11:52 am

moolingwa

The point again is that offense is subjective, and why something is objective has little or nothing to do with it's etymology, but with the intent it is used

11:52 am

hokie carla

agreed

11:52 am

Kaplan the Magne

Just like the n word has no other legitimate meaning. Jews are still stereotyped as being rich and unethical. Oh yeah- Jew lawyer- my husband was called that once, when he used to wear a kipper. The person who said it was a client of mine in a different setting who didn't know he was my husband.

11:54 am

moolingwa

So is it your position that the word should not exist in the dictionary?

11:54 am

Kaplan the Magne

Black is a color. Sometimes it has been a preferred description. Sometimes people of color is preferred. But black and color are words that have different words.

11:54 am

hokie carla

obviously jewish people were treated horribly so I'm not trying to brush that aside, but lots of other cultures and races have been stereotyped and generalized negatively throughout history and could be offended by any of those.

11:54 am

moolingwa

I mean Merriam-Webster, OED etc...not Enable

11:55 am

Kaplan the Magne

My position is that racist words--words whose ONLY meaning is racist- would not be in the dictionary of a word game played for fun and relaxation.

11:55 am

moolingwa

So they should be in the dictionary, but not in a word game?

11:56 am

hokie carla

and like I asked earlier, it's in the grid whether it is accepted or not, so you're still going to see it

11:56 am

moolingwa

In which case my follow-up question, why should that distinction exist?

11:56 am

bichon

I think the OED would be good, but not Enable or Merriam Webster

11:56 am

Kaplan the Magne

Some groups claim the offensive word and detoxify it for themselves. "Jewed" as a verb is not in the American Heritage dictionary at all. If it were, it should be defined as a racist slur, not as a legitimate way to describe a person who engages in intensive bargaining .

11:57 am

cybernan

good morning everyone -- another sunny lazy morning in this new world.

11:57 am

hokie carla

another rainy day here, nan

11:57 am

cybernan

oh - hope it clears for you soon.

11:58 am

hokie carla

rain through Sun last I checked. the tropical storm passed directly over us yesterday.

11:58 am

moolingwa

Actually it is in the AH dictionary: https://tinyurl.com/ybq9vxmt

11:59 am

cybernan

we had rainy weather yesterday, so happy to see the sun today

12:00 pm

hokie carla

if you all like podcasts and words (which you do if you're here), Lexicon Valley is a pretty good one. I haven't actually listened in a while and need to check it out again. They had an episode about gay people taking back "fag" and using it.

12:00 pm

amelu0218

we were supposed to get the same, hokie, but it blew through rather quickly yesterday and it's all sunny skies for now...

12:01 pm

hokie carla

but that's been a while, so I can't direct you to the correct episode #

12:01 pm

Kaplan the Magne

There can be a chink in the plaster, but an Asian person is not a Chink. Tell me a non-antiSemitic usage of "Jew someone down." There is not an acceptable usage of the word nigger. You mean they added it to the AH dictionary AFTER 2007?

12:01 pm

hokie carla

nice, amelu

12:02 pm

moolingwa

I'm not sure when they added it, perhaps there are abridged versions

12:03 pm

moolingwa

This isn't a game about meanings...this is a game about finding words that are defined in a dictionary

12:03 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Oh I see, but they added it and clearly said "offensive."

12:04 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It's just an off day during bad times and it was one of the first words I saw in the grid, so it struck me. I could have used some we4 first, maybe it would all be different.

12:05 pm

moolingwa

I understand the offensiveness of it when used to convey that offense

12:06 pm

moolingwa

I understand there are some words that are particularly offensive to some or indeed many or most people

12:07 pm

hokie carla

but you must've tried it when you saw it or else wouldn't have known it was on the list?

12:08 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Get Smart has a robot named Hymie. "My father named me Hymie." Jesse Jackson called NY Hymietown in the 1980s. Mistake. It's not in my 2007 dictionary. I wonder if it's in the online new one.

12:09 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Yes, definitely tried it.

12:11 pm

Kaplan the Magne

When my husband and I are being irreverent with each other and self-mocking, I might say to him "you're trying to Jew me down." It's perverse Humor.

12:12 pm

hokie carla

so I don't think you're ignoring me but just missing it, but are you more offended that you see it there in the grid to begin with or that it is accepted? if the latter, then why did you even try it to begin with?

12:15 pm

amelu0218

for the same reason I type the C word altho it's rare that I use it and really, really don't care for the person it's addressed toward, lol

12:16 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Of course I tried it. I know Enable. Can I go so far as to say that jewed is not a word at all? And I tried it because I have a perverse nature and wanted to see if it's allowed at all. WWF I think is stricter. Also, is it a proper word? The uncapitalized J would make one think it is a legitimate word, like blacking out some bad words.

12:20 pm

Kaplan the Magne

In the OED the root meaning of fuck is to plant a seed.

12:21 pm

cybernan

I think the word, like many others in enable, is there because of common usage. I don't think it was ever used by anyone in an offensive way, but rather to indicate that a hard bargain had been driven. No more offensive than when someone refers to people of my heritage as a whiskey.

12:23 pm

amelu0218

or of someone with my hair color as a Ginger

12:26 pm

cybernan

I get a lot more upset when enable accepts a word that is a noun with the pt suffix tagged on.

12:26 pm

Sugrraleona

omg, I'm just reading your posts - I'm cracking up - thank you for the laugh - needed it LOL -

12:29 pm

aebmusica

so7/28.......clue please

12:30 pm

cybernan

no 7's yet aeb

12:31 pm

moolingwa

rhymes with the so 7/32 aeb :)

12:32 pm

Uneaixoise

So7.....so + little bugs

12:32 pm

moolingwa

the one Une clued is the so7/32

12:32 pm

cybernan

ty une

12:32 pm

Uneaixoise

So + religious practices

12:33 pm

cybernan

ty again :)

12:33 pm

Uneaixoise

Yw

12:33 pm

aebmusica

ty all:)

12:35 pm

stidgmere

I usually head right for the grid but got hijacked into the chatlog today. Here in the center of the Multiverse I am just a voice crying out. I do not approve of "mean." Call it by any color or attribute--just don't do the mean thing. There, that is my idea. Like Nan we have a couple of days of warm, blue skies. Good day for jello. Now to the grid.

12:36 pm

cybernan

good morning gmere

12:38 pm

stidgmere

Hi. We are all doing quite well. I now have the Victoria sponge recipe. I need self-rising flour. I don't want to do any substitutions the first time through. I could certainly do with a couple of 8 inch cake pans.

12:39 pm

cybernan

I've been trying to avoid baking, but P came home from costco yesterday with a big box (like about 6 dozen) frozen triple chocolate cookies and a big grin on his face.

12:40 pm

hokie carla

self-rising is just all-purpose + baking powder and salt. I don't consider that substituting.

12:40 pm

amelu0218

yum!

12:40 pm

cybernan

I guess the lack of cookies in the house was too much for him

12:41 pm

amelu0218

nan, sometimes I use a mini-muffin pan for those and serve them with a little ice cream scooped in the cups they make

12:41 pm

stidgmere

TY for the quick way to make flour self-rising. I may in fact need to use that as a fall-back position. I think 6 dozen of anything is daunting.

12:42 pm

cybernan

that sounds good amelu -- will have to try it

12:49 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I didn't feel anyone being mean purposefully, and my intent was not to be mean. But it is not an opinion or a personal sensitivity to understand jewing down as a racist trope with no other origin. Am I saying wipe the dictionary clear of any words that might offend someone? No. I might be offended by the word hairy, (or ginger) and things that people get called. But Jew as a verb only exists to illustrate our cheapness, and that is still very much alive in the culture. When Potus campaigned to a mainstream Jewish group he said "you people are good with money" with a wink and nobody said anything. I am not someone to cry antiSemitism at everything- but when something clearly IS called a slur in a newer dictionary, I think it's the height of denial to say it isn't. Or to get into logical fallacy arguments like "if you think this is offensive why don't you think THAT is offensive."

12:50 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I am sorry to keep bringing this back today but I am not in a good mood today for a variety of reasons.

12:50 pm

MollyL

So wait, after everything you have said about the term, how offensive it is and how it shouldn't be in the grid, you actually use the term when joking with your husband?

12:52 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I told you--it's a form of humor for people to laugh at themselves and say the unsayable....don't the Irish do it?

12:52 pm

hokie carla

I think we all agreed it is a racist trope. but come on, you can't use trump as an example of stereotyping. he literally does that to everyone and nobody says anything.

12:52 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I didn't say it shouldn't be in the grid. And true about Trump.

12:53 pm

cybernan

I never associated it with being cheap -- just with driving a good bargain, but then I am a scot, so what do I know?

12:53 pm

weegee

Late to the game here but as a Jew I was incredulous not that the je 5/30 was in the grid but that it was accepted. I monkeyed all of the other possibilities first btw, and then thought no, it couldn't be... The word is ALWAYS offensive - there is simply no circumstance where its use is acceptable. I've never used the word, even as a joke and I always query its use with the question, "By any chance, do you mean you made a counter-offer?" And yes, there IS precedent for removing pejoratives from games... see this interesting article: https://scrabble.wonderhowto.com/news/\ncontroversy-changed-scrabble-0114722/

12:54 pm

cybernan

people make jokes about the scots being cheap all the time, but I can't say that I find it offensive -- kI think you are being overly sensitive.

12:55 pm

Kaplan the Magne

The thing that disturbed me is not that it is in the grid---one day the grid will pop up with Hamlet's soliloquy- but that we consider it a useable word for conversation is the problemm.

12:55 pm

weegee

But "scot" or "scottish" is never used as a transitive verb.

12:56 pm

moolingwa

You'll note in the article that weegee posted, that the ultimate solution was a word-play list used by competitive players that included the offensive words, and that a separate version is used for those who choose that.

12:56 pm

moolingwa

The official scrabble app for instance uses the "family-friendly" version which also removes many common curse words

12:56 pm

hokie carla

but no one here considers it a usable word for conversation. we all agreed to that.

12:57 pm

moolingwa

Whereas many places that cater to competitive or enthusiasts include those words

12:57 pm

libarebel

trumpanzee...

12:58 pm

libarebel

insulting to highly intelligent chimps...

12:59 pm

moolingwa

Not sure there are many chimpanzees that play word games, but I may be misinformed

12:59 pm

MollyL

Tiny url for links people
tinyurl.com

1:00 pm

libarebel

they just may :)

1:00 pm

cybernan

maybe you need to see things from another perspective--- try being a gentile living in a jewish neighbourhood. Your neighbours are friendly when conversing in the street, they will has to borrow a saw or hammer if they are building something for a festival at the synagogue, and their children will play with your children in the yard and attend your childrens' birthday parties. But---your children are never invited to their children's parties and if after playing in you yard for a while the kids decide to go to another house, your children are left out. Your invitations for coffee are always refused and you are never invited to any of your neighbours homes. Is it any wonder there are some who are not too concerned about what you seem to think is a major insult?

1:03 pm

MollyL

Interesting article but that
is about the Scrabble dictionary.
I doubt the same strategy would
work with the Enable word list.
And again, whether certain people find it offensive
or not, it is a word and is therefore acceptable
in a word game.

1:03 pm

jan

I I was in fact a gentile living in a Jewish 'neighborhood' when I went to Brandeis University. And I never experienced any form of freeze as you are describing. Of course, some of my strict Orthodox friends would not eat at my apartment because I did not have a kosher kitchen, which I quite understood. But it seems to be that unfriendliness in a neighborhood has little to do with ethnicity.

1:03 pm

moolingwa

Well from the research I did on Enable, it seemed like it was created partially as a result of the turmoil created by that event

1:04 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Telling people they're being overly sensitive is one of the simplest forms of gaslighting, and not knowing what hurts another person. Yes I have read all Linds of ethnic jokes- including about Scots--mostly in old Bennett cerf books from the 40s--but no, no one Scotts me down. I don't seem to think therat it is a major insult.

1:04 pm

moolingwa

Likewise Jan, when I lived in New York, I was invited to events both personal and cultural by my Jewish friends, I was certainly not excluded

1:04 pm

libarebel

My roomie in college was (& stil is) Jewish-- I was always invited to her home, & was a bridesmaid in her wedding...

1:05 pm

hokie carla

well, back to the original question posed this morning, you would have to contact Dr. God to try to get him to not use the enable list or to change to an updated one, which may or may not have offensive words.

1:06 pm

cybernan

I disagree, jan -- we did live in an orthodox neighbourhood, but that didn't make any difference when it came to the kids' parties. I could have lived with it except for the fact that I had to watch my children being hurt and not understanding for 5 long years. I had never known or even met any Jewish people before moving to Montreal and it certainly didn't leave a very good impression.

1:08 pm

MollyL

Wait, Enable was created because someone
launched a campaign against the Scrabble
dictionary for the je word?

1:09 pm

libarebel

I do find Jew as a verb to be offensive, & I'm not easily offended...

1:10 pm

moolingwa

Enable was created for a combination of reasons, one of which was primarily that the list of words defined by scrabble was thought to be too error-prone and a little arbitrary

1:10 pm

moolingwa

When the scrabble dictionary was purged, it created further claims of subjective censorship and arbitrary rulings, creating an environment in which something like Enable could come to fruition

1:11 pm

cybernan

My only friend on our street was the wife in a mixed marriage who had converted and who was more or less shunned also because they did not belong to an orthodox congregation. When she lost her baby to sids I went to her house while they were sitting shiva to express my condolences. I think my friend was the only one please to see me -- everyone else just stared at me as if to say what are yu doing here?

1:11 pm

libarebel

Maybe Babblers could file a petition to Enable to have it removed?

1:11 pm

MollyL

Oh my God, that is hilarious. There is nothing
more arbitrary than Enable. Some French words,
not others. Some Scot words, not others.

1:11 pm

moolingwa

It also coincided with an explosion of the web, and providing a free word list that sites could use made it a defacto standard for many of the word games we use here

1:12 pm

moolingwa

Well Enable was built upon what was in I believe 7 US reference dictionaries

1:12 pm

moolingwa

So from that perspective they use the dictionaries as the basis for what was considered a word

1:12 pm

hokie carla

just read the article. they took out farted? haha

1:12 pm

moolingwa

The dictionaries individually are somewhat subjective as they involve people making decisions

1:13 pm

libarebel

I don't think that Enable should be like Wikipedia-- I've found a lot of incorrect info on Wiki...

1:13 pm

moolingwa

But if you get a broad enough cross-section then you can perhaps mitigate some of that

1:13 pm

MollyL

I don't care for racially offensive words when they
are used in a hurtful way. Otherwise, like in a word
game, they don't bother me. In a word game it is just
a word.

1:13 pm

libarebel

well, sh** is accepted...

1:14 pm

Notheroldquilter

shit

1:14 pm

weegee

Nan, if your experience was prior to about 1970 perhaps your Montreal neighbors spoke only Yiddish at home given that many families included post-war immigrants fluent in neither English nor French.

1:14 pm

libarebel

PB formNoth!

1:14 pm

moolingwa

lib, you need to read the article to understand the context

1:15 pm

libarebel

Oh, OK-- where is the article?

1:15 pm

moolingwa

You can get the same info here: https://tinyurl.com/y7ztfrwx

1:15 pm

libarebel

fart, so there :)

1:16 pm

moolingwa

the guy who championed enable tried to correct a lot of the mistakes in the scrabble dictionary before embarking on his own quest

1:16 pm

libarebel

TY, Mool

1:16 pm

cybernan

what difference would that make weegee - everyone was perfectly fluent in English and everyone had obviously been born and educated in Canada.

1:17 pm

MollyL

Whoever that guy was, I think
his quest involved peyote

1:17 pm

moolingwa

He was definitely an enthusiast...he spent a lot of time combing word lists and dictionaries comparing and identifying mistakes

1:17 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It IS a major insult. There are elements of classism that could come into your situation, and also the human truth that people are hardwired to cliques. When the black students at my high school started to have separate social groups that I was not part of, it didn't give me a right yor call them oversensitive about using a charged word.. I can't speak to your specific experience because I grew up in a mixed working class neighborhood,

1:19 pm

hokie carla

wedge, we learned the other day that people not knowing english doesn't make them stupid

1:19 pm

cybernan

Kaplan the fact that you don't think my former neighbours' treatment of our family was a major insult is equally upsetting to me.

1:19 pm

hokie carla

*weegee (ugh autocorrect)

1:20 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I had to learn, and still have to learn to know what the charged words are. It means a lot to me if people come from this saying "sewing"- that's a charged word, instead of this person Kaplan is oversensitive. We all know that the c word is charged, but not everyone knows that Jewish down.

1:21 pm

hokie carla

wait, what does sewing have to do with this?

1:21 pm

moolingwa

autocorrect is my guess hoke

1:21 pm

libarebel

I live in a largely Black neighborhood, & my friend & neighbor calls me "Nigger"-- I was pretty horrified & asked my SO (also Black) "Why does Tammy call me "Nigger"-- He said it meant that I was accepted-- I was not offended, but still think that the word is offensive...--

1:22 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Cybernan, I don't know all the factors in your experience although it sounds like it was very painful to go through. The only factor here is one word that evokes painful experience at a time when hate crimes are intensifying...not that you weren't hurt by exclusion.

1:22 pm

hokie carla

oh, "jewing?" I was seriously trying to figure out how sewing was a charged word. I need to get up and do something with my life. :D

1:23 pm

libarebel

lol, hokie :D

1:23 pm

cybernan

so being known for driving a hard bargain is painful? I would think it would be something to be proud of

1:24 pm

weegee

nan, Yiddish was frequently the only language spoken in the home regardless of fluency/what was spoken in public when conversing with gentiles. Excluding your children might have been a misguided way of avoiding them being uncomfortable in a home where they wouldn't understand what was being said. If your neighbors truly disliked you they wouldn't have allowed their children to attend your children's parties. Nowadays a parent might be so bold as to ask why their children weren't invited.

1:24 pm

cybernan

I think anyone who can manage their finances well has something to be proud of

1:24 pm

libarebel

I scotted the person I bought my car from by $500.00!

1:24 pm

moolingwa

The term is not used in a positive light nan, it's intended to imply evilness, or crookedness over and above what is simply listed

1:26 pm

cybernan

not in my experience -- it meant being frugal and making a good or smart deal -- not an illegal one.

1:26 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Jewing, not sewing. See, even spellcheck doesn't accept it. I don't deny that other people have had painful experiences, and I have had them in multi or single ethnic settings-- but it's the association with jew and hard bargaining that is the slur. And the stereotype about finances...first of all, I come from generations of poor and working class Jews and socialists, and in my whole life I have done social service work that has not earned us any money- and the same for my legal services spouse, so no, your idea that having jewing skills *there, spellcheck) is not flattering, or true.

1:27 pm

MollyL

That is the thing. NOTHING is implied
when a word is in a word game. Other than
it is a recognized word, which it is.

1:27 pm

libarebel

My car is a 1999 Camry-- it is the color of a grey sky & I named her "Stormy" before Stormy Daniels hit the scene...

1:27 pm

cybernan

Which by the way is something the Scots are accused of all the time (being overly frugal) - but you don't see us crying in our scotch about it!

1:28 pm

Kaplan the Magne

What does frugality have to do with using jew as a verb? I know some frugal mixed-Scott-German-Poles.

1:28 pm

moolingwa

While the scots have at times been marginalized by the English, there's not really any other culture/race that has been persecuted so broadly as the Jewish community nan

1:28 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Cybernan, that's a little nasty.

1:28 pm

amelu0218

I've never taken it that way. I consider it as frugalness. I know plenty of people who pinch a penny hard enough to wear of the copper and most people have wealth because they don't waste. I'm not such a person but I still have enough.

1:29 pm

libarebel

Agree, mool

1:29 pm

HelenaB

Hi, I mostly lurk, but the Scots CANNOT be compared to the Jewish diaspora.

1:29 pm

moolingwa

The term is not about frugality, the term is meant to represent being tricked

1:30 pm

HelenaB

They were blamed for the fall of the Weimar republic due to their "frugality" and "hard bargains"

1:30 pm

cybernan

no more nasty than you saying it doesn't really matter that my kids were excluded because the were Christians.

1:31 pm

cybernan

enough - can we agree to disagree on what that particular word means to all of us?

1:34 pm

HelenaB

Again, random lurker, who cares what I think, but I'm not sure "agree to disagree" is permission I can give as a goy. The word marginalizes populations of which I'm not a part, so I have no real say in whether it's OK that someone else not of the community wants to use it to mean frugal.

1:34 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Then don't call its jewing, call it cheap. When my husband and I say it to each other it's a way of easing the pain of it. We're not crying into our schnapps. We're living in times when Black mean are suffocated by police, when swastikas are appearing in Jewish cemeteries. NOWHERE did I say that your kids stories didn't matter. Read back and find a place where I said that was OK and not painful. But it's an anti-Semitic slur and the next time it appears in the grid I hope someone will think "there's that anti-Semitic slur again" instead of I found the last j word.

1:34 pm

HelenaB

sorry, I'll stop, but my jaw was on the floor. Back to lurking.

1:36 pm

weegee

No, there is no agree to disagree here. Wrong is wrong, period. If I asserted that I'd been raised to think of the n-word as a compliment and was told by someone the word was meant to represent just how hurtful the word is I would accept the correction.

1:37 pm

jan

There is no question that the word is offensive. I'm old enough to remember when a lot of Americans defended their use of the n-word to refer to Black Americans as just folksy or familiar.

1:38 pm

MollyL

Kaplan if your mission today was to create
awareness that the word is offensive...mission
accomplished. I was already aware of that and
the word only bothers me if it is used "at" someone.
It doesn't bother me in a word game.

1:39 pm

cybernan

you should read up on you Scottish-English history. I don't think watching your wives and children being slaughtered before your eyes, and your houses razed being marginallized. Nor being shoved onto an immigrant ship to spend the the next 6 weeks in a cargo hold with one tiny bunk for an entire family, no sanitation and only 1/2 hour per day on deck, weather permitting, only to be dumped out on a barren shore with barely enough tools and seeds to be able to create shelter and food for the coming year -- that is assuming you survive the trip, of course.

1:39 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I didn't have a mission, Molly. It is what it is on Babble.

1:40 pm

jan

Enable is inconsistent on ethnic slurs--it will not accept the ni/6 term or the sp/4 slur against Hispanics. Maybe someday they will delete others, too. I wouldn't find the game any less fun if je/5 or cu/5 weren't allowed.

1:40 pm

MollyL

Sorry but that is the part I don't get.
"I'm terribly offended by this awful offensive word,
but my husband and I use it in a joking manner."

1:40 pm

libarebel

It does include "spic"...

1:40 pm

MollyL

Sorry Jan but Enable takes the Ni word and the sp word.

1:42 pm

Kaplan the Magne

You never watched Richard Pryor, or Lenny Bruce? Ironic humor, taking dominant culture and saying something that shocks is a part of all non-dominant culture humor. You just don't let the outsiders hear it.

1:45 pm

Kaplan the Magne

And Cybernan, that history is a horror. I don't know all of it. I know a lot about the slave trade, and I am certainly outraged about what is done to the Palestinian people in "my " name. If there is ever a term that describes attitudes toward your culture in the grid, I would like to be made aware of it.

1:45 pm

weegee

Right. When members of a group described by a pejorative use it amongst themselves it's a way of "owning in order to deflect" while acknowledging the hurt it causes when used publicly by others.

1:46 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Enable takes the n word???

1:46 pm

doseffing

... takes honkey too

1:46 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Weegee was one of my favorite photographers. See if you can score "Naked City" (1945 ) on e-bay.

1:48 pm

weegee

Kap, type in nonsense and the red bar will say "not found in the dictionary". Type in the n-word or other pejoratives and it will say "does not exist in the puzzle"

1:48 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Owning in order to deflect is exactly what I was referring to.

1:49 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I didn't know that.

1:50 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I mean about the n-words. It sounds like we've all been trying mischievous experiments with enable.

1:50 pm

cybernan

believe me, there are words for Christian sects used that I don't like to hear any more than I lke to hear Jew being said with a sneer in the voice. I think we need to keep in mind that the world needs more tolerance, including trying to overlook what we percieve as a slight, and less divisiveness.

1:51 pm

Kaplan the Magne

You're right- "schmuck" doesn't exist in the puzzle."

1:51 pm

libarebel

Shmo is accepted

1:52 pm

libarebel

not in this particular puzzle...

1:52 pm

hokie carla

unrelated, but words with friends just sent me a notification that the word of the day is "mathamatics", with an a!

1:53 pm

libarebel

"schmuck" doesn't exist in the puzzle." means not in this puzzle...

1:53 pm

mkg

wow

1:53 pm

hokie carla

huh? shmo is in this particular puzzle and the definition says of unknown origin, so who would that offend

1:54 pm

moolingwa

that doesn't add up hoke

1:54 pm

hokie carla

I've thought about it multiple times, moo

1:54 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm sure that no one here endorses overt racism. Sometimes the history of a word might need some clarification. Other people have been more articulate than I. Sometimes we use words to people and we don't know the context.

1:55 pm

mkg

all are germanic

1:55 pm

moolingwa

it's a sine of the times unfortunately, spelling isn't what it used to be

1:55 pm

hokie carla

spelling does divide people

1:56 pm

hokie carla

maybe it's a derivative of the correct spelling

1:56 pm

moolingwa

I like this new tangent you're going on

1:56 pm

Kaplan the Magne

https://www.jta.org/2019/09/25/culture\n/what-does-jew-down-mean-and-why-do-pe\nople-find-it-offensive

1:56 pm

moolingwa

Only a fraction of the folks here are going to be able to follow on

1:56 pm

Kaplan the Magne

sorry for the old tangent- I got behind. I never was good at mathematics.

1:56 pm

Atalante

just to add to the discussion ...

1:56 pm

MollyL

Oh Lord, there goes
the chat width again

1:57 pm

doseffing

... but if you google "mathamatics" most of the entries are from people on Facebook offering tutoring classes ...

1:57 pm

hokie carla

I think we are colinear here, moo

1:57 pm

MollyL

Well better that they are tutoring
math than English : D

1:58 pm

doseffing

... half of them mentioned Philosophy

1:58 pm

Atalante

and as for all those *&**&&( Americans that say MATH rather than MATHS ....

1:58 pm

mkg

feme

1:58 pm

hokie carla

odd combo

1:58 pm

mkg

sorry all.

1:58 pm

moolingwa

It all evens out in the end tho hoke

1:59 pm

Kaplan the Magne

semite

1:59 pm

hokie carla

LOL, just clicked the notification and it brought up WWF dictionary and it says "'MATHAMATICS' is not a valid Words With friends word." WHY IS IT THE WORD OF THE DAY THEN?

1:59 pm

Kaplan the Magne

was not found in the dictionary

1:59 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Uh, typo?

1:59 pm

hokie carla

that was a prime pun, moo

2:00 pm

moolingwa

it's all relative though

2:00 pm

moolingwa

But there is at least a common denominator

2:01 pm

cybernan

I think Semite is a proper noun

2:01 pm

hokie carla

atalante, I love that y'all say maths, I use it instead whenever I can. it makes me laugh whenever I hear or read it.

2:02 pm

moolingwa

It's really a zero sum game though hoke

2:02 pm

Atalante

I know, its so meaningless and yet math always makes me cringer!

2:03 pm

hokie carla

I think I have been sitting here for infinity

2:03 pm

Atalante

cringe, even. or odd.

2:03 pm

weegee

"shmo" isn't Yiddish, it's "yinglish", a construct popularized in L'il Abner by Al Capp used it to Interestingly, babble does accept "schmo"

2:04 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Let's talk about Al Capp.

2:04 pm

hokie carla

if it makes you feel better, a lot of things y'all say are weird - like hoover for "to vacuum". it's a brand name!

2:04 pm

moolingwa

The number of times I have felt that is countless hoke

2:05 pm

lexophile

I am also a perpetual lurker who rarely takes part in chat discussions, but I can't ignore this thread. Words, in and of themselves, should not be causing this much distress to anyone. Some are melodically beautiful with ugly meanings, while others are phonetically insignificant with brutal meanings. They all serve a purpose. As my moniker implies, I LOVE WORDS - the good, the bad and the ugly. This is a word game - not necessarily a politically correct word game, but a word game, nonetheless. I fear the day when the powers-that-be are able to wipe all of the potentially-offensive-to-someone words from our lexicon. We will be left with a bland and boring way of communication which must be approved by the language police. I find that to be terrifying and offensive to my intellect.

2:06 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Kleenex, frigidaire, band-aid...he who patents first gets the word!

2:07 pm

Atalante

I think I say a bit of vacuum and a bit of hoover :D

2:07 pm

Atalante

the word I love more than anything because its intrinsically Scottish is outwith

2:08 pm

Atalante

well said lexophile :)

2:09 pm

moolingwa

don't forget fedex and xerox

2:09 pm

cybernan

hear, hear lex

2:10 pm

moolingwa

oilily is one of the harder words to wrap your head around

2:10 pm

doseffing

... fridge and xerox are both acceptable in the game ... fed-ex might be taken as hyphenated

2:10 pm

moolingwa

I believe fedex is acceptable

2:11 pm

moolingwa

also a couple of former acronyms of course, like radar, laser, scuba

2:11 pm

doseffing

... just checked ... nope

2:11 pm

doseffing

... emfs too

2:11 pm

moolingwa

Ah, it's in the scrabble dictionary now

2:11 pm

moolingwa

emfs, was in there, removed, and then readded

2:12 pm

cybernan

and snafu?

2:12 pm

moolingwa

das as well for that matter

2:12 pm

Atalante

is it laser and maser that are allowed but not taser?

2:12 pm

moolingwa

fubar

2:12 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Dear Lex- Yes, I agree. It was just the fact that people didn't KNOW. We use cunt, twat, shit and all kinds dreck in this grid, but to not be aware- if you're a lexophile, sources of words must have meaning, like hoover and jewing. I am not someonepulling Huckleberry Finn off the shelve because of Nigger Jim I'm saying that words are powerful. It is one thing to find it in a puzzle. It is another thing to argue that because of its existence it is not a slur, or that it is even a compliment.

2:12 pm

moolingwa

taser got added in a later version of the scrabble dictionary, assume the same for enable

2:13 pm

weegee

lexophile, I agree to a point. While lovely & warm in a fireplace and useful for a barbecue, there's a reason it's illegal to holler "Fire!" in a theater. Context is everything.

2:13 pm

doseffing

... not yet ... it's still awol

2:13 pm

Atalante

theres one of those three that isn't allwoed in enable. I keep forgetting which

2:13 pm

moolingwa

taser

2:13 pm

moolingwa

the other two are

2:13 pm

moolingwa

but I understood that there have been updates to enable since this version...perhaps I'm incorrect

2:14 pm

Atalante

youre prob v right, I just know I try it every time in babble!

2:15 pm

Kaplan the Magne

No one is removing words from the lexicon. I've been living in the Boston area for half my life- a very racially divided city, and I only learned here that paddy wagon is an ethnic insult. No Irish need apply.

2:16 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Weegee, thank you for phrasing things better than I.

2:20 pm

MollyL

Enable has not been updated since 2000

2:20 pm

cybernan

time for a lunch break at this side of the continent -- bbl :)

2:21 pm

weegee

Kap, not at all, mein schwester ;)

2:23 pm

cybernan

just went back to look at your last post weegee - agree wholeheartedly -- intent is everything.

2:25 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Intent and awareness are good partners.

2:26 pm

moolingwa

indeed ignorance can also be offensive

2:27 pm

weegee

Context, not intent. The person in the theatre who hollers "Fire!" intends it as a warning but can cause a fatal panic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, not good contexts.

2:28 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Ah, you did it again!

2:28 pm

lexophile

I used to literally spend hours reading the dictionary for entertainment. I'd randomly open it and read. One word would lead to another, etc. and the word origins are fascinating, so I am absolutely aware of derogatory meanings. But to erase the words is akin to erasing the history. That should never be done, regardless of how painful it may be. Ugliness has been a part of human history since the beginning. We should all be aware of the horrors that have been perpetuated upon many cultures throughout the years, but sadly, too many are glossed over or swept under the rug. There are always options for word choices and I absolutely hate "name calling", because it is so petty and requires no effort to find a more suitable word! But to expect that everyone with whom you come in contact will know and avoid your trigger words is not reasonable. When I used to describe myself as a lexophile (in college in the '80s), too many thought I meant pedophile... I describe myself as a lexophile and a coonass (which is NOT derogatory to those of us of Cajun descent)..... Yes, Mool, ignorance is certainly offensive!

2:28 pm

moolingwa

Well I'm ignorant of the last 8 words in this grid

2:29 pm

moolingwa

if you make sashimi, wouldn't you sashime?

2:31 pm

MollyL

Excellent Lexophile. I am tempted to copy what you said for the next time (and there will be a next time) this kind of thing comes up. What you said captures it all.

2:35 pm

Jshap3542

not to interrupt this intelligent conversation but could anyone point me in the right direction for the a words in the far right column?

2:36 pm

ChampFit

they start with at....

2:37 pm

Jshap3542

just got two, thank you!

2:37 pm

lexophile

Ah, well, my time for discourse is at an end. I'm off to the grocery store. Quiche has been requested for tonight and I'm out of cheese! Horrors!

2:37 pm

Kaplan the Magne

"But to expect that everyone with whom you come in contact will know and avoid your trigger words is not reasonable" is a bit dismissive.

2:37 pm

weegee

Re: ignorance being offensive. I beg to differ. Ignorance is simply a lack of information and that can be remedied (unlike stupid which we all know cannot be fixed). It's choosing to remain ignorant when information is available that's offensive. When someone once called the 2nd president Bush as stupid a reporter replied, "No, he's not stupid. He's a very smart man who has chosen to remain ignorant of a great many things."

2:39 pm

Uneaixoise

Me6/27?

2:40 pm

PastorJ

I was called to testify at a Title IX hearing because I witness a racial incident at the University. The interviewer asked if I believed the accused person was racist or just ignorant. I replied that that was a false dichotomy: she was racist by way of willful ignorance. She had plenty of opportunity to learn better, but just would not.

2:40 pm

PastorJ

witnessed even

2:41 pm

Jshap3542

Perfect answer, racism and ignorance go hand in hand

2:42 pm

weegee

Pastor J, you're a mensch!

2:42 pm

PastorJ

lol!

2:42 pm

weegee

racism and WILLFUL ignorance...

2:43 pm

PastorJ

i've been called many things, but not that!

2:43 pm

PastorJ

(building my resume)

2:43 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Before I go, the next time jew comes up in a grid as a verb (can it be conjugated?) will you think Kaplan will go off the rails again, or- Oh, this word is ugly in its origins, and although it is here and exists, it might cause pain to a lot of people. Some of the pain being the fact that people don't KNOW it causes pain.

2:44 pm

weegee

Kap, if "we" provide the information to the ignorant and they choose not to accept it...

2:45 pm

Uneaixoise

Me6/27?

2:46 pm

Kaplan the Magne

This thing has no "like" buttons, or I would "like" what you said, Weegee.

2:49 pm

MollyL

I didn't find Lexophile dismissive at all.

2:50 pm

weegee

awww, Kap, such a haymisheh maidel!

2:50 pm

MollyL

This is not the first time there has been lengthy/all day discourse on an offensive word in the grid. It has happened many times before and will surely happen again.

2:52 pm

Uneaixoise

Nm.....found it

2:52 pm

Kaplan the Magne

OK you didn't find it dismissive. I repeat: But to expect that everyone with whom you come in contact will know and avoid your trigger words is not reasonable.

2:54 pm

KnightTime

i get triggered by the word "trigger" :)

2:54 pm

KnightTime

but in a good way

2:55 pm

weegee

-- embrace teachable moments--

2:55 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Let's conjugate this . Jew (v. to drive a hard bargain with the intent of getting the best deal and save a few pennies from some poor schmuck.) I jew, you jew, he, she, they jew, we jew, we are sewing...Now let's try with Presbyterian. I presbyterian, You presbyterian...see? It just doesn't work!

2:56 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Did you see the last so -awful- it- was -riveting episode of Transparent, where the Jewish mother sang "Your boundary is my trigger!")

2:56 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Spellcheck likes to sew.

2:58 pm

Kaplan the Magne

What if there was a uwordgame where you had to know the meaning of words before you could list them? No one would ever play except maybe Will Shortz of the NYTimes crossword puzzle.

3:06 pm

weegee

Kap, that Transparent episode... hard to forgive such an awful end. Not to excuse his behavior but it tanked when Jeffrey Tambor was fired. Maura was the glue that held it all together.

3:15 pm

Jshap3542

Kaplan, if different people have different boundaries and triggers, how on earth could it be possible for everyone to know everyone else's boundaries and triggers?

3:15 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It was a train wreck!

3:20 pm

libarebel

I went to the PO & back, & the topic is the same-- goes to show how important a subject racial/ethnic disrespect is such a hot issue, especially w/ the murder of a Black man by a White cop(s)-- doing nothing to stop it is on the other 3 officers...

3:21 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Please don't attribute to me things I didn't actually say. What I did say was probably enough! The transparent reference was not part of the argument. I am just surprised that in 2020 it could be thought that jewed was a verb of neutral import like sewed. Or that the stereotype of Jews managing money shrewdly did not deserve questioning. ( I actually missed a meeting of the Diversity & inclusion task force of my group therapy organization because I was here. )

3:22 pm

lbelle

That particular stereotype has been used for centuries, literally, to energize hatred and actions toward Jews, so yes, its time for being 'neutral' is long since past.

3:24 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Yes, two Black men were murdered on video this week. Now these things can be immediately be recorded---how many lives have been brutally taken every week before we had cell phones. And the cop had a body cam! Assuming there was thought involved, what could he have been thinking?

3:26 pm

libarebel

indeed-- not capable of thought?

3:26 pm

cybernan

bullies don't thinkk - they react and often with anger. I think there has to be a better screening process for police acadamies -- weed out the bullies.

3:26 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Yeah, belle, that's a bad one, and I am not being overly sensitive about it.

3:27 pm

cybernan

I would add that this is not solely a problem in the US -- we have our bully boys in the police force as well.

3:28 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Are you from the Saskatchewan area or the other coast?

3:28 pm

libarebel

It's really too bad for all the decent White cops-- they should issue some kind of statement if their superiors were to let them...

3:30 pm

cybernan

are you asking me Kaplan? -- I live in BC -- Saskatchewan in the middle prairie province.

3:31 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I have a friend in Saskatoon. That sounds like a commercial.

3:33 pm

libarebel

Chiefs of Police should feel obligated to issue condemning statements, of course, if they are in agreement w/ the deed...

3:34 pm

cybernan

Saskatoon is in the middle of Saskatchewan -- both are native names. As in most of the Canadian provinces only the southern 2/3 of the area is what I would consider habitable

3:34 pm

libarebel

if they are not-- important exclusion of word

3:36 pm

weegee

libarebel, you speak the truth. It's the "one bad apple" maxim playing out with multiple bad apples who, unfortunately, carry guns but don't always wear body-cams. I shudder to imagine how many of these incidents were hushed up before cell phone cameras came into such wide use. As someone I know said recently, "Remember, authorities are investigating these things not because they saw the films, it's because WE saw the films."

3:40 pm

ls1

another example of systemic racism

3:42 pm

weegee

For the record, earlier today the Minneapolis Chief of Police issued an articulate and sincere apology to the family of George Floyd and said his department had contributed to a "deficit of hope" even before Mr. Floyd was killed. Now we'll just have to wait and see what he does to restore hope.

3:42 pm

ls1

that was aimed at the word in the grid, by the way. Although it also applies to the police discussion.

3:42 pm

ls1

rish

3:42 pm

cybernan

I hope they make an example of not only the policeman that killed the man, but the others who looked on and did nothing -- throw them all in jail and throw away the key -- it should be considered murder and accesories to murder.

3:43 pm

libarebel

agree, nan

3:44 pm

hokie carla

I just heard a podcast last week about a town somewhere in Canada where police were driving First Nations men out to the middle of nowhere and leaving them in like -40 temps and then someone would find them frozen to death later.

3:45 pm

hokie carla

oh, it was Saskatoon!

3:45 pm

hokie carla

ep. 138: Starlight Tours of the Criminal podcast

3:47 pm

caps

Any clues for the me 6.27 please

3:47 pm

cybernan

I think if that had actually happened it would have hit the news, carla -- to begin with the -40 temperatures occur only occasionally and that would include windchill factor. -- keep in mind that it was a podcast!

3:47 pm

weegee

me 6/7 past tense of alternate spelling of what a kitty says

3:48 pm

weegee

6/27 oops

3:51 pm

caps

Many thanks

3:51 pm

cybernan

Saskatoon isn't a small town - it has a pop. of 325,000 and the temperature there today is 17C and will be in the mid to high 20's next week. 17C = 65F

3:53 pm

cybernan

now there were some first nation men who stayed out in some below freezing temperatures about a month ago -- they were blockading the transcontinental rail line in protest agains a pipeline being built across native lands.

3:54 pm

hokie carla

google it, nan. just found several articles. 2 officers did jail time for doing it to a guy in 2000. he made it back alive. that led to an inquiry into a 1990 death that led to those officers being fired.

3:54 pm

weegee

nan, it did happen. Google "canadian first nations murder by freezing". Lots of coverage - see Washington Post article from Nov 22, 2003

3:54 pm

weegee

jinx, buy me coke, hokie!

3:56 pm

hokie carla

:D

3:57 pm

hokie carla

just because something is a podcast doesn't mean it isn't researched and have sources

3:59 pm

harpjane

found some lady sheep

4:01 pm

harpjane

could I get stats for the j please?

4:02 pm

weegee

harp... can't bear it... go back down in the chat for the discussion about it that's been going on all day

4:02 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I can ask my friend is Saskatoon! Don't even ask how I know her.

4:03 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Oy.

4:03 pm

weegee

Kap, no need. Google "canadian first nations murder by freezing washington post"

4:04 pm

Kaplan the Magne

You didn't pick up my Get Smart reply! Don't even ask how I know her!

4:05 pm

libarebel

How do you know her? :oD

4:05 pm

weegee

sorry... I grew up mostly without a TV (and haven't had one for years). Poor me, had to read, a lot! ;)

4:05 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Chief, I TOLD you not to ask me that.

4:05 pm

libarebel

I thought I'd get an "oy" for that!

4:06 pm

weegee

Oy gevalt! (better?)

4:06 pm

libarebel

yes :D where's the "vey"?

4:07 pm

harpjane

I saw some of it weegee. I just wanted the stats...

4:07 pm

harpjane

We are certainly an intercultural group today. Now I was to write a song about a Jew from Saskatoo....

4:08 pm

libarebel

a Goy from Illinois?

4:08 pm

libarebel

waxing silly here...

4:11 pm

weegee

sorry harp - today's conversation has me feeling the need to be overly helpful I guess.

4:17 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Max always don't ask and when someone asks "I told you not to ask me that!"

4:18 pm

cybernan

looked it up -- apparantly the the police in Saskatoon did dump troublemakers at the city limits a few times and unfortuneately one of them dies -- sounds like he had been knocked around as well. As I said before, we also have our bully boys and I suspect this one will end with a murder charge now that the case has been reopened.

4:18 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I think the distance of Saskatoon and New York/Boston is vast culturally speaking. I have friends around the country who never met a Jew before. That's part of what makes this such a fun year...

4:20 pm

weegee

Kap, here in Lexington, KY I am one of only 2 Jews at the Amazon warehouse where I work. The other is a security guard. MOST of my coworkers have never met a Jew.

4:20 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein )from my old JHS) Michael Cohen...I could see my parents exchanging that look that I remember from Jack Ruby shooting Oswald. It was a nonverbal but completely clear exchange: "Jack RUBY? This could be bad for the Jews."

4:21 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It was not even 20 years post war, and Jews were just settling in to be Amerikaners.

4:22 pm

weegee

The warehouse is huge, btw, about 2,000 employees. Makes me hyper-aware of how I act/present myself.

4:24 pm

libarebel

Ruby is kind of a common anglocizing of "Rubenstein", no?

4:24 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I have to understand that there are whole wide regions where the only Jew was the immigrant peddler. In the South the dry goods stores were known as the Jew Stores, and paradoxically to everything I've said today, it wasn't derogatory. (Southern Jews are different from Northern Jews.) I know how it seems- we are only 2% of the country yet seem to dominate the media, so I'm sure a lot of stereotypes develop.

4:24 pm

weegee

yes

4:24 pm

libarebel

anglicizing?

4:25 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Rubenstein. Anglicizing is taking a name like Horowitz and changing it to Harris when you move out of the Lower East Side.

4:26 pm

libarebel

oh, like Bob Dylan?

4:26 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Any Jews you might know named Winston were undoubtedly named Weinstein. Then there was the grand era of nose jobs...

4:26 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Dylan has reinvented himself so many times.

4:27 pm

libarebel

true-- even changed his voice somehow...

4:27 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Including briefly as a Christian. To me Dylan is The Bard.

4:27 pm

bichon

Bob Dylan, originally Zimmerman, changed his name in honor of

4:27 pm

bichon

dylan thomas

4:27 pm

weegee

Southern Jews... my first night at Temple after I moved here (from Santa Fe, btw) I almost plotzed when the rabbi said "Shalom, y'all!" from the bima!

4:27 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Dylan Thomas

4:27 pm

bichon

of Dylan Thomas

4:27 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Weegee haha.

4:28 pm

libarebel

He did get the Nobel prize for literature-- much deserved!

4:28 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Others, bema is the podium

4:29 pm

weegee

Ha! you explain bema but not plotz?

4:29 pm

libarebel

I think I can figure what plotz means...

4:29 pm

weegee

giggling

4:29 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I grew up in a more working class ethos, except that my parents went to the opera, but I met wealthier Jews later, and learned the mysogynist and antiSemitic term JAP.

4:30 pm

weegee

oh, I do like to make reservations for dinner!!!!!!

4:30 pm

weegee

still giggling

4:30 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Problem is, it's racist and sexist, but there were JAPS all over Long Island.

4:32 pm

Kaplan the Magne

There's a longer joke about an immigrant yiddish mother not making it to her son's penthouse party because she looked at all the mailboxes and "Mama, why didn't you come?" "I couldn't remember your name!"

4:32 pm

libarebel

Weegee-- you can get unemployment for taking a leave if you feel at risk-- I am-- plus, the Feds give you another $600. per week-- I thought it was too good to be true, & worked at CVS until April 27, when I got too scared to go in...

4:33 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Sorry I didn't pick up on the Amazon. Bezos is evil.

4:34 pm

weegee

Oy, let's explain that JAPs wore pearls, went to college to get their "Mrs. degree" and what do they make for dinner? Reservations. JAPs did NOT bomb Pearl Harbor. (Jewish American Princess - definitely racist and sexist)

4:35 pm

weegee

Bezos. Don't ask me about Bezos... : )

4:35 pm

Kaplan the Magne

There's a really bad joke. Punchline "she drops her nail file." You'll just have to google it.

4:35 pm

Kaplan the Magne

What about Bezos?

4:36 pm

weegee

I TOLD you not to ask me about Bezos!

4:36 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Sorry about that, Chief.

4:36 pm

weegee

giggles becoming hysterical

4:36 pm

Kaplan the Magne

And Mel Brooks enters the room.

4:38 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Then there's the one about the waiter who approaches the table of Jewish ladies and says "ladies, is ANYTHING all right?" Told to me by my favorite local Irish comic.

4:39 pm

cybernan

There is a juge cultural distance between Saskatoon and Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal. I grew up in the interior of BC and until we moved to Montreal I had never met a French Canadian or a Jewish person. I think that is why I was so shocked by our treatment when we moved into our house in Montreal --- I had never come across an ethnic clique before and just felt so ostracized after trying so hard to make new friends. But I certainly did learn what it feels like to be discriminated against.

4:39 pm

Kaplan the Magne

So in the morning I ream you out about the j word and in the afternoon I hit you with bad borscht belt jewish jokes

4:39 pm

cybernan

*huge

4:40 pm

MollyL

Wait, you get unemployment plus another 600 a week? That is 48 thousand a year.

4:40 pm

Kaplan the Magne

when I realized you were from Saskatoon I recalibrated.

4:41 pm

weegee

Yup... If only we could do "that" dance # from The Producers here...

4:41 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I am home making basically no money and my husband and daughter are working from home and I'm going crazy

4:42 pm

Kaplan the Magne

They were trying to make a bad musical, who knew it would be a hit?

4:42 pm

Kaplan the Magne

What's his name- Bialystock

4:43 pm

cybernan

I'm not from Saskatoon -- I am from 1200km west of Saskatoon in British Columbia.

4:43 pm

weegee

I think so, yes

4:43 pm

Kaplan the Magne

OK, still far far away.

4:44 pm

Kaplan the Magne

closer to Saskatoon than I've ever been

4:44 pm

cybernan

We retired to my hometown which is now about 150,000 pop -- but in the days I grew up here it was about 15,000 pop.

4:44 pm

libarebel

That's right, Molly-- I couldn't believe it, & I'm only part time-- website says if you get only &1.00, you get the $600. Go figure-- not complaining, though!

4:45 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Amazon workers deserve every penny

4:46 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm a native New Yorker.

4:46 pm

libarebel

It's $30,000. according to my math-- still pretty substantial!

4:46 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Try running a private practice during a pandemic

4:47 pm

cybernan

I am shocked and saddened by the treatment our senior are getting in the assisted living and nursing homes. Why has it taken a pandemic to bring this to light. For the type of situations they need to deal with I think all healthcare workers in these establishments should be paid double what anyone else in their positions receive.

4:47 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I told you guys I was hospitalized in March or April for bacterial pneumonia and probable COVID19? They couldn't even give me a yes or no.

4:47 pm

libarebel

Used my calculator-- it's $31,200. per year...

4:48 pm

Kaplan the Magne

The pandemic as ripped off the veneer of fairness and equity, which was worn pretty thin to begin with

4:48 pm

cybernan

that is so true, kaplan

4:49 pm

weegee

Kap, you know it. I'm in touch with coworkers who've confirmed that social distancing is not enforced throughout the warehouse, many people wear their masks below their noses, cleaning is sporadic and hand sanitizer dispensers are frequently empty. Over a dozen confirmed cases at my facility. I just might retire rather than go back when my leave ends on 6/27

4:49 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I hope this is not offensive to people in other regions, but I feel the concept of the United States is basically over.

4:50 pm

cybernan

don't blame you - I wouldn't go back under those conditions either weegee -- life is too precious.

4:50 pm

libarebel

Yes, the poor, elderly & minorities are infected much more than the middle & upper classes...

4:50 pm

Kaplan the Magne

The warhorses are like the sweatshops my grandfather labored in. I saw the John Oliver segment.

4:50 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Warehouses. Damn spellcheck.

4:51 pm

jan

Sorry to have broken off, but our across-the-street neighbor was just taken out of the house on a gurney by several folks in hazmat suits. He's a doctor from Nigeria who works at our largest hospital in Seattle. I'm obviously worried sick--he and his wife are such good people, and have been working heroic hours in the hospital during all of this.

4:51 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I think we are a series of regions run by governors.

4:51 pm

libarebel

You can usually extend a leave if necessary...

4:51 pm

mkg

o word top corner please?

4:51 pm

mkg

ty

4:52 pm

libarebel

oh dear, jan

4:52 pm

Kaplan the Magne

OMG Jan. That is horrifying.

4:52 pm

weegee

Cuomo for president! Too bad he says he has no interest. My mom (92 yrs old) is glued to the tv every day for his updates.

4:53 pm

cybernan

I don't know Kap -- a federal government that was unifying rather than divisive would help --- I don't really understand this "party loyalty first" rather than "good of the country first" thing.

4:53 pm

libarebel

The Cuomo bros. are supposedly considered the sexiest men in the US :)

4:53 pm

jan

First it was just a fire engine, then an ambulance, then more backup. The good thing is that he was clearly conscious, but I am so worried. I just texted his wife asking if there is anything we can do--I could at least send some hot food over tonight.

4:53 pm

MollyL

I was basing it on 400 a week for unemployment. I didn't know you were part time. Still, probably better money for staying home that you got for working. Not to mention the stimulus checks.

4:53 pm

weegee

top corner o - think units of electrical resistance

4:53 pm

bichon

wo 7/48, pls

4:54 pm

weegee

nope, sorry. It's the bone doctor one

4:54 pm

mkg

dont know it but will google.

4:55 pm

mkg

ty

4:55 pm

libarebel

That's right, Molly-- CVS is a notorious cheap company-- never hire enough workers to deal with the long long lines to the pharmacy...

4:55 pm

mkg

wrong o. sorry.

4:56 pm

MollyL

I don't shop in CVS after all the bad things I have heard about them.

4:57 pm

origami

Hello folks

4:58 pm

cybernan

hi ori

4:58 pm

cybernan

is CVS a pharmacy?

4:58 pm

Uneaixoise

I love him too weegee!! :-)

4:59 pm

libarebel

I've been working retail since my graphic artist career & my human/computer interaction QC jobs were taken from me by computers-- I can't believe that they replaced the "human" in human/computer interaction w/ computerized programs-- ridiculous!

4:59 pm

origami

They are building a CVS down the street from me and I am really glad. The RiteAid I use is right across the street and is always packed because they are the only pharmacy around here that accepts Medi-Cal. When the CVS opens up that might make for shorter lines at RiteAid.

5:00 pm

origami

Yep, nan. CVS is a pharmacy.

5:00 pm

libarebel

a pharmacy w/ a convenience store...

5:00 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Yes, Cuomo!

5:01 pm

libarebel

The Cuomo bros. are pretty cool...

5:01 pm

MollyL

Used to call them drug stores back in the day. I'm sure that is no longer politically correct.

5:01 pm

weegee

bichon: if you still need it wo 7/48 = wo 4/8 + so 4/5 but drop the double of the middle consonant. sorry, pitiful, sad

5:02 pm

MollyL

And then we should explain to those in the UK that pharmacy is a "chemist".

5:02 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Apothecary

5:03 pm

libarebel

There were 5 small pharmacies in my neighborhood growing up-- CVS opened & 4 folded almost immediately & the 5th soon after-- CVS is omnipresent, and I consider them evil!

5:04 pm

weegee

jan, I hope your neighbor will be OK

5:04 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Corner drugstore. Also a candy store. Known as Sol's. Some assiduous genealogy work by a cousin showed my great grandparents standing in front of their drug store/candy store in Brooklyn called Markowitz's. My great grandmother Goldie chased the MAFIA collections person away with a broom.

5:04 pm

Uneaixoise

Fw!!

5:05 pm

origami

I hope the other near me doesn't close. Even though I can get 3 months of a prescription at CVS for the cost of 2 months, I won't shop there.

5:05 pm

cybernan

we always seemed to wind up at a Walgreens when in the US -- probably because they are on every corner.

5:05 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It doesn't sound good for Jan's fine neighbor.

5:05 pm

libarebel

Now, in MA, we have real "drug stores"-- marijuana dispensaries-- I've had their chocolates & they are magnificent!

5:05 pm

weegee

Une! so quickly? Jealous.

5:06 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I succumbed to CVS.

5:06 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm on a committee that is supposed to approve recreational pot shops. Shhh. It's a secret.

5:07 pm

libarebel

I won't tell!

5:07 pm

Kaplan the Magne

NYC has independents.

5:07 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Pharmacies I mean.

5:07 pm

libarebel

Are you from MA, Kap?

5:07 pm

cybernan

I think the biggest mistake ever made was the legalization of mj

5:08 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I grew up in Flushing Queens in NY and migrated to Boston about 35 years ago.

5:08 pm

libarebel

I'll agree to disagree, nan

5:09 pm

libarebel

What part of Boston, Kap? I'm in Dorchester (pronounced "Dotchta"...

5:09 pm

cybernan

we are back to where we have more people dying from od's than from covid-19

5:09 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Cybernan, I am working on safe injection sites. Vancouver is way ahead of us. SO is Montreal. No one has ever died from an overdose in a safe site. You can see why the things I do earn me so much money-

5:10 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm in summavlle.

5:11 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Somerville to newcomers. A newcomer is anyone who has lived here less than 60 years.

5:12 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Nan, that's whey we need safe sites to help people survive overdose and make contact with people who care enough to save them.

5:12 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Somerville's mayor has vowed to open a safe site this year- then along came the pandemic.

5:12 pm

cybernan

what you say is true, but there are many more users that won't use safe sites. I know a lot of them get hooked with prescribed drugs first, but there are also a lot of kids that start with marijuana.

5:14 pm

Kaplan the Magne

The "gateway" theory is largely debunked. If safe sites are peer staffed they are more successful. The police have to be allied with the mission, or it's a trap.

5:15 pm

cybernan

yes - our safe sites had to close at the height of the pandemics -- all efforts were concentrated on getting the street people off the street and into motels. They are open again now (with social distancing)

5:15 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm in contact with an organized drug users movement working on SIFs and believe me, people will use them. It's better than dying alone in a Dunkin Donuts bathroom.

5:16 pm

weegee

Kap, did you go to the World's Fair in '64 or were you just a babe in arms? I was going into 3rd grade and remember quite a bit about that trip.

5:16 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Yeah, as we plan the sites, we now have to consider more fastidious harm reduction measures.

5:17 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Oh I went about 15 times the first year, and a dozen the next. It was the best thing to be 10 years old in 1965. The World's Fair, Get Smart, Shea Stadium, vaccines...

5:17 pm

cybernan

ah 6 please?

5:18 pm

Kaplan the Magne

It was just one stop away on the subway. We went all the time.

5:19 pm

Kaplan the Magne

The Beatles, shelter drills... (no that was earlier)

5:19 pm

weegee

Wow!

5:20 pm

libarebel

marijuana is not a "gateway drug"...

5:22 pm

libarebel

saw the Beatles live-- the highlight of my adolescence!

5:23 pm

cybernan

tell that to my neighbours how lost their son to drugs after progressing from marijauna to harder stuff. That's like saying beer isn't a gateway to drinking distilled liquor.

5:23 pm

weegee

ah 6/24 a+ungrammatical opp of hers + repeat lst vowel

5:24 pm

libarebel

Was it "Expo 64" or Expo 65"-- I went to one (my aunt lived in Manhattan, but i forget what year Expo was...

5:25 pm

cybernan

ty weegee - don't think we've seen that one before

5:25 pm

libarebel

Also, when I was a kid, Somerville was called "Slummerville"-- now try to buy a house there-- BIG bucks, & will be even more so when green line is finished...

5:26 pm

weegee

nan, thank my monkeys

5:26 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Everything is a gateway- the causes are bio-psycho-social. Plenty of people smoke marijuana for a period and then stop.

5:28 pm

cybernan

sa 5 please?

5:29 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Nan, I work with a lot of bereaved parents and have lost young clients to the opioid epidemic. This is my field- I've been active in the harm reduction substance use field for 30 years and wrote my dissertation on controlled heroin users. It's complicated. Why can some kids stop and others descend into hell? There is no definitive answer. But illegalization doesn't help.

5:29 pm

penquis

rhymes with belief in a deity....

5:29 pm

libarebel

I don't really miss MJ when I don't have-- not physically addictive-- perhaps psychologically..

5:29 pm

weegee

sa 5/12 biblical past tense of say Later, y'all. Must feed dinner for old toothless cat. Don't ask...

5:29 pm

cybernan

when did the focus go from going after the dealers to providing safe sites?

5:30 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I think there is a feeling of fatalism in the world all over, climate change, starvation, disease, and it gets expressed in our youth my their despair, gun violence, unsafe injection, ...kids join terrorist groups, become mass shooters...

5:31 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Because people were dying from overdose and need to be saved.

5:31 pm

libarebel

Sadly, you are correct, Kap...

5:33 pm

cybernan

So many of the users seem to be in a hopeless situation -- they are mentally impaired whether from drug use or other reasons and can't get jobs, or got hooked after being on medically prescribed pain relief and no one bothered the check up on them or help them. Do we force help on those that can't, won't or don't help themselves?

5:33 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Here we filled up our prisons with young black men on minor drug charges (yes I worked with those guys too). The drug war was focused on people of color, and when it got into white kids started dying suddenly everyone cared

5:34 pm

libarebel

Wow-- the rubble that was Minneapolis is on the news-- I am craving good news...

5:34 pm

Kaplan the Magne

Good question. I think forced help backfires, but soft connections start people feeling cared about.

5:35 pm

Kaplan the Magne

More later. This has been a heavy day on the chat. Time to watch the news. And Get Smart. I wanna be 99.

5:35 pm

cybernan

Prison isn't the answer though. Wouldn't hospitalization, combining both medical and psychiatric care, and education be a better solution?

5:35 pm

jan

I am a big proponent of legalization of marijuana, though not a user myself. I used to be a criminal defense lawyer and saw more lives ruined over criminal charges for pot than I can count. When pot was illegal, the same dealer who could get you pot could also get you hard stuff. Now that folks get their pot from legal stores, they don't have the same easy pipeline to hard drugs. We've seen a definite decrease in hard drug od's since legalization. I will say, though, it is weird to see billboards for marijuana!

5:35 pm

Kaplan the Magne

(Barbara Feldon.) I didn't do many words on the grid.

5:36 pm

libarebel

^5, jan!

5:36 pm

Kaplan the Magne

I'm for legalization but I can't stand the smell. Good night.

5:36 pm

libarebel

love the aroma...

5:37 pm

cybernan

so glad that advertising for pot and tobacco products is not allowed here.

5:38 pm

libarebel

I never outgrew it-- thought it was a "faze"-- still enjoy it occasionally at 70!

5:38 pm

jan

Prison is most definitely not the answer. Once you have a criminal record, it's hard to get a job, and you are not eligible for federal financial aid for schooling. So counter-productive...

5:39 pm

jan

I agree that advertising for marijuana ought to be banned like tobacco advertising. The thing is, apparently the state makes so much money off the pot tax that they aren't willing to ban the billboards.

5:39 pm

cybernan

and once again, greed rises to the fore

5:40 pm

cybernan

sa 5 please?

5:41 pm

jan

Unfortunately our state doesn't have an income tax, so we have to rely heavily on 'sin taxes'--a bottle of hard alcohol costs as much in taxes as in price!

5:41 pm

libarebel

When I broke my knee 2 years ago, the oxycodone they gave caused me to hallucinate, not be able to sleep & horribly constipated-- got some MJ gummies & they really killed the pain as well as calmed me down...

5:42 pm

lynxxx

sa5 - like to have trust or fa*** in something

5:43 pm

libarebel

Oh, a slang term for MJ is in the grid

5:43 pm

jan

I was thinking about that very situation--I had a bad leg break about seven years ago and was given opiate pain killers. I think if I had had the option then of marijuana gummies, that would have been vastly better. I was lucky not to be on the opiates long enough to get addicted, but I could understand how that could easily happen. My doctor would have been happy to keep prescribing them long after I decided to stop them.

5:44 pm

cybernan

ty -- got the other archaic verb -- don't know why I didn't see that one

5:44 pm

libarebel

Yes, Jan-- the docs were far too free w/ opiates...

5:45 pm

jan

Just got a call from our neighbor's wife. He's being tested right now for COVID--I will keep my fingers crossed for them both.

5:45 pm

libarebel

me too

5:45 pm

cybernan

I just make do with triple strength tylenol -- I have allergic reactions to opiates, so not much choice there.

5:45 pm

origami

That's scary, Jan.

5:46 pm

libarebel

Too much Tylenol can seriously damage your liver...

5:47 pm

jan

Watch out for the tylenol, nan! The active ingredient can cause serious liver damage in doses not that much larger than the recommended ones. It's the leading cause of liver transplants right now, outstripping alcohol abuse.

5:47 pm

libarebel

snap, jan!

5:47 pm

jan

Typed too slow...

5:48 pm

jan

You're better off with NSAIDS like naproxen sodium or ibuprofin for pain relief.

5:48 pm

cybernan

I don't use it that often, jan -- but post surgery I needed it.

5:48 pm

MollyL

I stick to aspirin for pain relief. After all the bad stuff I have read about Tylejol.

5:48 pm

libarebel

I didn't know that tylenol had surpassed alcohol...

5:49 pm

cybernan

aspirin didn't cut it after knee replacements.

5:49 pm

libarebel

I take aspirin as well-- it's been around since ancient Greece

5:49 pm

MollyL

Tylenol. Sorry, my carpal tunnel is flaring up.

5:50 pm

libarebel

Aspirin time?

5:50 pm

jan

One reason why is that the active ingredient is in all kinds of OTC drugs--so somebody has the flu, lets, say, and takes some Tylenol, and still feels rotten so they take an OTC cold and flu remedy containing more acetominophen, and they still feel bad so they take something else, which also has acetominophen.

5:50 pm

MollyL

Aspirin is Salicylic acid. Comes from the willow tree. Been used as a pain reliever for centuries.

5:51 pm

jan

My colleagues in the public health school say that Tylenol could never be approved for OTC use today.

5:51 pm

libarebel

from willow bark...

5:51 pm

MollyL

Good point Jan. And people (sadly) are not very good about reading active ingredient lists.

5:51 pm

libarebel

wow, jan

5:52 pm

jan

Especially when they are feeling rotten...

5:52 pm

cybernan

ti 7 please?

5:53 pm

jan

Starts like the previous ti/5 and ends with an adjectival ending.

5:53 pm

lynxxx

ti7 ends with the cats cries

5:53 pm

cybernan

ty lynxxx

5:54 pm

cybernan

mo 6 please - the one following the ugliest animal on earth?

5:56 pm

MollyL

Oh no, I hope Nan has not offended any mo5 lovers.
: D

5:56 pm

cybernan

bull :)

5:57 pm

cybernan

nm - found it

5:58 pm

penquis

heh....he's our state animal.... ;o)

5:58 pm

origami

It is so hot here that I can't bring in my plastic garbage toters without oven mitts on. I can't touch them.

5:58 pm

cybernan

you would think after all the time I have spent in museums and traipsing around pompeii and athens, I would have spotted that a lot sooner

5:59 pm

MollyL

It is so humid here that I have been running the air conditioner way more than I usually do. $$$$$

5:59 pm

cybernan

expecting a skype from #1 son, so must run -- see you at the flip everyone (or tomorrow)

6:00 pm

origami

Humidity is under 30% here, so not bad in that regard.

6:00 pm

origami

Bye, nan.

6:13 pm

periwinkle

help with so7 pls

6:17 pm

penquis

which one?

6:18 pm

periwinkle

first one pls

6:20 pm

penquis

it's a plural....so + small insect....

6:20 pm

penquis

plural....

6:21 pm

periwinkle

I tried that a little while ago and it was not accepted but it was now, ty

6:22 pm

penquis

yw...

6:22 pm

rururocks

enable is messing with you peri after all the hubub today

6:23 pm

rururocks

too many cat sounds.. i have to avoid them

6:33 pm

origami

<---- sends warning glance Ru's way

6:35 pm

rururocks

:D

6:37 pm

rururocks

here kitty.. kitty.. kitty.. (remind me to tell you that story sometime ori, when i moved out of a house in the mountains :D

6:39 pm

origami

I will :D

6:42 pm

origami

Can someone give me a nudge on the mo 5/14?

6:42 pm

MollyL

Hard to say what is okay to say here after the other day and today. Hell, today, even the grid offended someone. How's that weather? And the flowers?

6:44 pm

cybernan

made a cow sound

6:45 pm

origami

Thanks, nan. Babble blindness has struck.

6:45 pm

cybernan

yep -- had a problem with that today too

6:45 pm

MollyL

*Hopes no blind, or partially blind people are not offended

6:46 pm

cybernan

anyway - didn't have time to close out before the skype call came in, so on my way now - stay safe everyone

6:46 pm

cybernan

bye molly :)

6:46 pm

MollyL

Or "are offended" yeesh

6:47 pm

origami

Molly, molly, molly ... the PC term is "visually impaired."

6:53 pm

rururocks

lol

6:55 pm

MollyL

Oh dear, my apologies to the visually impaired for not using the correct term.

6:56 pm

phandmd

good evening!

6:56 pm

origami

How is rimshot not a word?

6:57 pm

origami

Hi phan

6:58 pm

MollyL

Well, we could go into the whole Enable has not been updated since 2000 thing, but that is one of the dead horses that has been beaten too much today.

6:58 pm

origami

Sorry, guess I better shuffle off to the penalty box.

6:58 pm

MollyL

Plus, it is a drummer word and drummers are...oh no...not going there.

6:59 pm

origami

:D

7:00 pm

MollyL

Shuffle? Are you commenting on those who are mobility impaired? : O

7:03 pm

origami

Oh, no! Pardon me. I will make my way to the PB.

7:09 pm

MollyL

Maybe we should rename it the PCPB...Politically Correct Penalty Box

7:10 pm

origami

I was thinking the same thing. But there should be no alcohol (we don't want to reward bad behavior) :D

7:41 pm

phandmd

may I have a clue for the 2nd me 5/12

7:45 pm

phandmd

well, got the ME 5/12....

7:46 pm

phandmd

hoped that would give me the ME 6/24 but it did not...

7:49 pm

MollyL

The system of measurement that the US doesn't use?

7:50 pm

phandmd

YEah, I have that one, need the 6 after it please

7:53 pm

jan

Pl of subway systems?

7:53 pm

doseffing

... have you got the Paris subway or two

7:53 pm

phandmd

plural of subway is 6/21, I need 6/24 after the measuring system

7:53 pm

doseffing

... sorry thats 6/21

7:54 pm

MollyL

I'm confused. There is only one me6/24

7:54 pm

doseffing

... that's what I was about to say too

7:54 pm

phandmd

yes, and that is the one I need...

7:55 pm

doseffing

... system of measurement that Molly clued at 7:49

7:55 pm

phandmd

I had asked for the second 5/12, but the found it...

7:55 pm

phandmd

oh, great, I already had it...

7:56 pm

phandmd

so sorry for the trouble...

7:56 pm

doseffing

... there are three me5/12 ... are you looking in the correct place?

7:56 pm

phandmd

I am feeling very blonde at the moment...

7:56 pm

doseffing

... it happens

7:56 pm

phandmd

I have all the ME words...

7:57 pm

MollyL

**Hopes no blondes are offended by that comment

7:58 pm

phandmd

WEll, I am blonde, so it is ok for me to say that lol

7:58 pm

doseffing

... only counts if you're from California too

7:59 pm

phandmd

well, my daughter lives in Cali...

7:59 pm

doseffing

... we'll forgive her

8:02 pm

phandmd

Not sure I will forgive her for moving all the way across the country from me though... lol

8:05 pm

rururocks

California is great phan

8:06 pm

rururocks

It is just expensive

8:06 pm

phandmd

it is lovely, she is San Diego which is awesome. It is just the opposite coast from me!

8:06 pm

mkg

still missing top corner o word. any clues?

8:07 pm

rururocks

San Diego is awesome except for the traffic

8:08 pm

rururocks

I go there 8 times per year

8:08 pm

phandmd

that's a lot! pleasure or work?

8:09 pm

phandmd

OR 5/12

8:09 pm

rururocks

Work

8:10 pm

doseffing

... or 5/12 ... everyone things that it has something to do with bone or muscle conditions ... it's really about position of atoms within molecules

8:10 pm

phandmd

clue for the OH 5/16?

8:12 pm

dan2bit

evening all! just found the french cats

8:12 pm

doseffing

... having to do with the measurement of electrical resistance

8:12 pm

doseffing

... toutes les trois?

8:13 pm

dan2bit

mais bien sur

8:13 pm

phandmd

isn't that the 4/6?

8:13 pm

doseffing

... oops about that

8:13 pm

doseffing

me4/6 6/27 5/14 ... past tense and plural

8:31 pm

phandmd

WO 7/48?

8:32 pm

doseffing

ends with s4

8:33 pm

dan2bit

it's not woeshit

8:33 pm

doseffing

... quite correct

8:35 pm

phandmd

took a bit, but I got it... Thank you Dose

8:35 pm

doseffing

... very welcome

8:37 pm

doseffing

... must be off ... a good night and luck to all who continue the struggle ...

8:37 pm

phandmd

night

8:38 pm

phandmd

SU 5?

8:39 pm

phandmd

NM. I got it right away...

8:39 pm

dan2bit

elvis's blue shoes phand oh nm

8:47 pm

phandmd

RI 6?

8:47 pm

dan2bit

lacri6 having to do with tears

8:48 pm

dan2bit

I can try to think of a better clue...

8:48 pm

phandmd

perfect clue! thanks!

8:48 pm

phandmd

last word. OH 5/16?

8:49 pm

dan2bit

adjective form of the resistance oh4

8:49 pm

phandmd

Now the earlier clue makes sense!

8:49 pm

phandmd

Thank you so much. off to bed now. 515am comes early...

8:49 pm

dan2bit

ah6/7 ?

8:51 pm

phandmd

an earlier clue was a + not gramatic opposite of hers repeat 1st vowel

8:51 pm

phandmd

and plural

8:55 pm

dan2bit

finito! ti7 was my last. thanks phandmd and lickety and all cluers

8:56 pm

phandmd

good night!

9:17 pm

marksdolly

fireworks! yay!

9:17 pm

marksdolly

any clues needed?

9:37 pm

Book Doctor Gwen

swanning in (hi all)

10:03 pm

Book Doctor Gwen

nbt at last

10:22 pm

Book Doctor Gwen

rimshot (not a word???)

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