Babble: Archived Puzzle for Tuesday, June 2, 2020

12:01 am

hurshy

re8

12:02 am

gapeach

to7

12:02 am

jessmom

ve7

12:02 am

hurshy

but man do i hate when there are so many re possibilities and mostly they don't work

12:02 am

hurshy

but you have to try them anyway cause you don't know which ones WILL work

12:03 am

jessmom

tr7

12:04 am

justafreep

cr7 x 2

12:04 am

hurshy

well re7 x 3 while we're at it

12:05 am

rururocks

ac7

12:07 am

hurshy

er7 & 8

12:08 am

justafreep

ra7 x 2

12:09 am

rururocks

ha8 called?

12:09 am

hurshy

nope

12:13 am

hurshy

Os Obliterated

12:13 am

hurshy

want to get Es but that second column one is pretty baffling

12:13 am

cybernan

ac 7 - hello everyone

12:15 am

SummerBreeze44

ec7

12:16 am

jessmom

en6

12:16 am

hurshy

that'll be one of my Es

12:17 am

hurshy

the ec7 i mean

12:17 am

hurshy

have the en6, that was the only one i DID get

12:17 am

justafreep

ro7

12:17 am

jessmom

en6 x 2 from that one

12:18 am

hurshy

ooooh then

12:19 am

licketySplitAUS

Clues are up

12:22 am

Lizlin

Thanks, Lickety and hi all

12:24 am

hurshy

ok got a second en6

12:26 am

hurshy

it feels like that ac6-7 shouldn't be the only thing that starts wit those three letters but idk

12:26 am

hurshy

only one more a from there so the odds are shrinking fast

12:26 am

Gadget

I'd have NBT if it weren't for the Z's!

12:26 am

Rainiqui

to 9

12:27 am

dizgrannie

Gadget...nil

12:27 am

Lizlin

The z's really are nothing, gadget

12:27 am

hurshy

the Zs are nothing

12:27 am

Rainiqui

nbt, nbs

12:27 am

Gadget

Oh man...how did I miss that! Thanks!

12:29 am

hurshy

Es Eliminated!

12:30 am

hurshy

Vs Vanquished!

12:30 am

Lizlin

re 9 called?

12:30 am

hurshy

nope

12:31 am

hurshy

name that proper noun! Desi

12:31 am

Lizlin

arnaz

12:31 am

hurshy

ding ding ding!!!

12:32 am

hurshy

only one measly A stands between me and Vowel Victory

12:33 am

hurshy

(top A)

12:34 am

Gillie

re8 x 2

12:35 am

Gillie

x 3

12:37 am

bigbirdboss

to 8

12:38 am

Gillie

Phantom orchard

12:38 am

hurshy

re8 x 4

12:43 am

hurshy

x5

2:51 am

Karys

ran ch

4:24 am

mattygroves

I tried Orchard too!

7:19 am

MollyL

Ah, Dame Judy is in the grid. She is a great old broad.

7:19 am

MollyL

Oops, Judi

7:19 am

BzznBea

Morning, Molly.

7:20 am

MollyL

Hi Bea. What is on today's agenda?

7:22 am

BzznBea

Busy day. Master Gardeners Zoom meeting, Help get my wheelchair bound neighbor out for some fresh air. Take Emma to the vet in Raleigh for a laser treatment. While she is doing that, I will run to Trader Joes. I'm already tired...

7:24 am

HarryHood

morning

7:24 am

BzznBea

Morning, Harry.

7:24 am

Judi

Good morning, all.

7:25 am

HarryHood

nice looking grid!

7:25 am

BzznBea

It's been fun.

7:25 am

BzznBea

Morning, Judi.

7:27 am

MollyL

Hi Judi. I was just mentioning Dame Judi and there you are. : D

7:27 am

MollyL

Sounds exhausting Bea. You really do go for the gusto.
: )

7:28 am

BzznBea

It is feast or famine.

7:28 am

Judi

Yeah. We dames like to stick together.

7:29 am

BzznBea

Judi, I'm sorry but I still have not been able to identify my fruit tree.

7:29 am

BzznBea

That is today's update.

7:30 am

Judi

Mystery fruit. We'll stay tuned for a possible identification in the future.

7:31 am

HarryHood

if it grows very tall and has a house on top, DON'T climb it!!!

7:31 am

Judi

Too bad the jam/jelly wasn't salvageable.

7:32 am

Judi

lol. Always good advice, Harry.

7:32 am

Judi

Presuming she didn't buy the beans in the first place.

7:34 am

HarryHood

in my gardening club back in NJ I had a mystery plant growing in my plot. I finally uprooted it and it was a beautiful daikon! Must have grown from the communal compost.

7:38 am

Judi

Anyone have a clue for the RE9?

7:42 am

Judi

Uhg. So stuffy today. Last time we sleep with the windows open. Pollen just flew in.

7:43 am

BzznBea

to make stiffer again, Judi.

7:45 am

Judi

* blank stare *

7:46 am

BzznBea

That is the re8/9

7:47 am

Judi

Which R does it start with?

7:47 am

BzznBea

Lower right

7:48 am

Judi

Ty. Looking.

7:48 am

Judi

Got it. Duh. Thanks.

7:48 am

Judi

Time for a break. 175 left.

7:56 am

HarryHood

nbt. 116 left - gotta go give a test. bbl!

8:02 am

periwinkle

hi all, back from laundromat and market.

8:02 am

BzznBea

77 left here...time to get ready for the day.

8:02 am

periwinkle

not getting the clue for the re8/9

8:03 am

periwinkle

207 here

8:03 am

Deeha

re -h7.36

8:04 am

periwinkle

ty Bea and Deeha

8:06 am

player girl

Hi all. Hope everyone is staying safe. Can anyone clue a Z please?

8:07 am

HarryHood

nada. nil. zilch.

8:07 am

doseffing

nothing ... in fact ... there are three nothings

8:07 am

periwinkle

ty dose, was blind to those

8:08 am

HarryHood

that rhymes

8:08 am

periwinkle

ty harry

8:08 am

player girl

Duh. Can't believe I didn't see those. Thanks Harry

8:13 am

HarryHood

100 to go! this is getting tougher. later!

8:17 am

spellit

fw

8:17 am

doseffing

... well done

8:17 am

spellit

Cheers!

8:29 am

cybernan

good morning, everyone :)

8:30 am

CadFan

Good Day everyone!

8:30 am

periwinkle

hi nan

8:31 am

periwinkle

hi cad

8:34 am

MLFAN17

which e for the er8?

8:35 am

periwinkle

one of the top 2 on the left

8:36 am

MLFAN17

ty peri

8:36 am

cybernan

nbt, nbs thanks to bea's clue for the 9

8:40 am

mkg

hi all. any clues for the E second column? ty

8:42 am

periwinkle

I think it is en6x2

8:42 am

MLFAN17

mkg I think its enc

8:43 am

MLFAN17

en6

8:43 am

cybernan

en 6 x2

8:43 am

periwinkle

snap nan

8:44 am

mkg

ty. not seeing it but will try to find it. en + a 4 letter word.

8:44 am

periwinkle

bbl

8:45 am

mkg

nan can you give me meaning for one of the en 6's? ty

8:47 am

cybernan

en + money

8:47 am

mkg

ty. looking

8:47 am

mkg

got it! ty ty

8:47 am

penquis

change the last letter of that for another en 6....

8:47 am

mkg

got other one too now. ty.

8:48 am

penquis

yw...

8:48 am

MollyL

Too bad able isn't in the grid. Then we would have enable.

8:48 am

cybernan

yw

8:49 am

player girl

I am still stuck on the E in the 4th row, 4th column

8:49 am

player girl

Any clues???

8:50 am

penquis

to get paid for work.....you **** money....

8:50 am

MLFAN17

re and h7/?

8:50 am

cybernan

es 5/12

8:50 am

player girl

Thanks penquis, and nan

8:51 am

penquis

yw...

8:51 am

MLFAN17

I got the re8/9

8:53 am

cybernan

all of the others from that e are derivatives of the ea 4

8:53 am

MLFAN17

i have 3 ea words that go together

8:54 am

penquis

there is a fourth from that combo??

8:55 am

cybernan

yes

8:55 am

MLFAN17

i have 4 words now

8:55 am

MLFAN17

ea

8:55 am

cybernan

ea 6,6,5,4

8:56 am

MLFAN17

i gtg will be back...

8:56 am

cybernan

* sorry - the 4 should come first

8:56 am

phaeton

there is an ea4 at the end too

8:56 am

penquis

oh...i do have those....

8:57 am

penquis

ty, nan....

8:57 am

cybernan

then you can do it all again, pen

8:58 am

penquis

ah yes...ty....

8:59 am

penquis

they are repaving the parking area right near my place and I can't go anywhere....noise is giving me a headache....

9:05 am

cybernan

probably the fumes from the hot tar are giving you the headache

9:06 am

penquis

it's a thought.....i do have windows closed....

9:06 am

cybernan

are you self-isolating, that you can't go out?

9:07 am

penquis

yes....but also, not sure I could even get my car out of where it's parked....

9:08 am

penquis

I think they started on my end of the lot....hopefully, the noise will go down when they move away a little....

9:08 am

cybernan

hope you haven't tested positive, pen

9:08 am

penquis

no, not me, thanks....

9:09 am

cybernan

hope you stay well then

9:09 am

penquis

I did go out yesterday for a tennis lesson....one on one....no one in adjoining courts.....no touching balls.....felt safe....

9:09 am

penquis

ty, you, too....

9:25 am

cybernan

time to start my day - back later for the last 99

9:26 am

penquis

bye, nan....

9:26 am

penquis

i am heading out as well....bbl to work on the last 59....bye all....

9:34 am

hokie carla

well, managed to make it 117 left, did not get to halfway for each tile, did gray 3 very small ones. maybe I'll be back later, maybe not.

9:38 am

hokie carla

112, always see more on my way out. TTFN

9:39 am

MLFAN17

found another ea4

9:40 am

BzznBea

There are four of them.

9:43 am

HarryHood

90!

9:43 am

HarryHood

tough going

9:49 am

jmcnrick

hi all

9:50 am

MollyL

Who knew we would get to a point where someone "felt safe" playing tennis?

9:51 am

MLFAN17

hi jmc

9:51 am

JaxH66

Just found an 8/9 combo by â€˜accidentâ€™

9:51 am

jmcnrick

wtg jax

9:51 am

MLFAN17

you mean re/

9:52 am

MLFAN17

gj jax

9:53 am

JaxH66

Yes. I didnâ€™t specify what it was, just I found 1

9:54 am

jmcnrick

haha

9:54 am

MLFAN17

you didn't need to specify I just thought ti might be lol

9:54 am

CadFan

LOL just found that myself!

9:55 am

BzznBea

That is the way I found the other 8/9 combo...by accident.

9:55 am

MLFAN17

I only have the re

9:55 am

jmcnrick

I ne** more accudents

9:57 am

MLFAN17

of the word kin

9:57 am

MLFAN17

knd

9:57 am

car.eeyore

Good morning! Any of my dream interpretation peeps in the house? I had a wacko dream last night that I cannot put my senses around.

9:57 am

MLFAN17

hi car!

9:57 am

jmcnrick

let's he** it car

9:58 am

72 Temple Owl

hi car! have you seen heard the NPR podcast on dreams in the time of corona? lots of wacko ones.

9:58 am

MollyL

Have you tried any of the dream interpretation sites? They can usually steer you in the right direction.

9:58 am

MLFAN17

their are books about dreams too

9:59 am

jmcnrick

I just want to listen to the dream

9:59 am

72 Temple Owl

me too

9:59 am

MollyL

Dream voyeurs : D

10:00 am

jmcnrick

yep

10:00 am

MLFAN17

owl is that on acorn?

10:00 am

jmcnrick

8)

10:01 am

72 Temple Owl

fan: huh?

10:01 am

car.eeyore

I will tell you just the dream details first. Then, if needed, the background on the person in the dream.

10:01 am

72 Temple Owl

NPR = national public radio

10:01 am

jmcnrick

the podcasr TO

10:02 am

MollyL

There are also a lot of articles on line about people having weird dreams during COVID. A natural response to surreal conditions.

10:03 am

MLFAN17

owl I used to get magazines from some npr radio it had a lot fo neat things in them t shirts books etc

10:03 am

MollyL

Dreams generally get weird with major lifestyle chjanges.

10:04 am

car.eeyore

I went to a pound, of sorts, with my friend and her husband to adopt a dog. It reminded me of a junkyard setting, but not messy. the dogs were all in these stacks of cages but you couldn't see the dogs until the front cover of the cages lifted up. They had a specific dog in mind, but then ended up seeing another dog they fell in love with. The dog had been addicted to heroin and was rehabbed. That was the one they selected. GO....

10:04 am

MollyL

Also, people are staying at home more than they used to and that is not always a good thing. I have a friend who said she is suffering from TMH. Too Much Husband.

10:05 am

MLFAN17

anchor not acorn sorry

10:06 am

MollyL

A dog addicted to heroin is a nice twist. I'm guessing that whoever the dream is about has some form of addiction touching her life.

10:06 am

car.eeyore

nope

10:06 am

jmcnrick

I would say that you are concerned your friends are taking a really difficult problem that they do not necessarily ne** to take. Possibiliy helping some one with major issues.

10:07 am

jmcnrick

how did you react to their choice?

10:07 am

72 Temple Owl

addiction is much in the news, so it could bublle up with other things,if the dream is generalized anxiety.

10:07 am

MollyL

Five stars for JMC's analysis

10:09 am

jmcnrick

*curtsies and puts soap bubble pipe in mouth*

10:09 am

rururocks

how does a dog get addicted to heroin?

10:09 am

72 Temple Owl

freud was in the grid yesterday, if you noticed.

10:09 am

72 Temple Owl

it stars with smoking pot

10:10 am

hokie carla

it just takes once, ru

10:10 am

car.eeyore

Ok..let me give you the background. Her mother just died. Her extended family (uncle and stepfather) did not tell her until after her mother had passed, so she did not get to say good bye. They even told her that she and her family would have to wait in the parking lot while they went in the funeral home for the 10-person service. She is the only child her mother had. There are years of manipulative and hurtful behavior from that extended family. Someone close to her told her to play nice at the funeral. There would be other opportunities to confront them in this process (will, etc.)

10:10 am

bichon

How does a dog get hooked on heroin?

10:10 am

rururocks

bichon frise-basing?

10:10 am

car.eeyore

This is my amateur analysis but I wanted some input before I said anything to her about it.

10:11 am

BzznBea

Dog could have been used in drug trial studies.

10:11 am

car.eeyore

I think in some way it might have been her mother reaching out to me. She wants her daughter to just walk away. Take the brokeness and make peace with it.

10:12 am

72 Temple Owl

interesting.

10:12 am

car.eeyore

It will be the only way she can truly heal and move on with her immediate family.

10:12 am

car.eeyore

I especially think this since in the dream they had a dog picked out but then chose this one

10:14 am

rururocks

so glad my dog isn't a junkie.. needles make me queasy

10:15 am

bichon

When I watched my daughter's dog, I had to give him insulin

10:16 am

MollyL

I really wish if people are going to reach out from the great beyond they would do it in clearer ways.

10:16 am

car.eeyore

No shit.

10:17 am

car.eeyore

"Hi! It's me! I need to tell you something...."

10:17 am

rururocks

oh this is one of THOSE stories

10:17 am

MollyL

Personally, I would have nothing to do with a family that cruel. I don't know why anyone would.

10:18 am

car.eeyore

Exactly...and this is her chance now to just walk away from it all

10:19 am

Sandieangel

could anyone please me clue me the last RE8 -50 please. Or at least give me the 3rd letter.

10:20 am

Aloyisius

scientific work in the lab, Sandie

10:21 am

Aloyisius

an effort to discover

10:21 am

Sandieangel

Thank you xx

10:21 am

Aloyisius

yvw .

10:31 am

MollyL

Was there any sort of rift between your friend and her mother that would make the family want to keep her away?

10:32 am

mkg

mear

10:32 am

mkg

oops sorry

10:36 am

mkg

would love soome stats and clues for the v words. only have ve 4 7

10:38 am

Aloyisius

start in the right direction with ve6.30 and its plural. Need to scoot.. Happy babbling all.

10:38 am

cybernan

ve 4/7 x 2, ve 6/30, 7/44

10:40 am

mkg

ty looking

10:40 am

mkg

any meanings welcome.

10:40 am

cybernan

ve 5/16

10:40 am

cybernan

still missing 3

10:40 am

Chris P

ve5/16 & ve6/27

10:40 am

mkg

why isnt zane a word? i dont get it.

10:41 am

mkg

chris any clues? ty

10:41 am

cybernan

just found the 6/27

10:41 am

mkg

nan any clues welcome

10:41 am

Chris P

ve6/27 teeth cover. ve5/16 pl of ve4/7

10:42 am

cybernan

lol - to each his own -- was thinking surface layer on a sheet of plywood

10:42 am

car.eeyore

Just talked to my friend. She is very happy that I shared the dream with her.

10:42 am

mkg

ty. got ve 6 27

10:43 am

car.eeyore

And I now truly have a sense that my "job" has been completed.

10:44 am

mkg

more clues for other v words welcome.

10:44 am

mkg

ty

10:45 am

rururocks

maybe try some yourself mkg

10:46 am

car.eeyore

phantom: camera

10:46 am

mkg

car i also tried that.......and camero is not a word. it is a car.

10:46 am

mkg

trying.

10:47 am

BzznBea

That's FW for me...

10:47 am

car.eeyore

Well done! Congrats!

10:47 am

72 Temple Owl

mascara is my phantom

10:47 am

BzznBea

See you all tomorrow...

10:47 am

mkg

yeah bea! wtg!

10:47 am

car.eeyore

Oooh! My fave car! I had a white Camaro with t-tops! I was all that and a bag of chips in that car!

10:48 am

mkg

yup

10:49 am

car.eeyore

Turns out, it was a limited edition...never knew it at the time. Instead of red interior, it had a lovely cream colored inside!

10:52 am

rururocks

at least i closed out the r's now

10:54 am

car.eeyore

Ok...off to bake cookies! Have a great day everyone!

10:58 am

cybernan

enough of this - heading to the list

10:59 am

mkg

send me a cookie car.

11:00 am

moolingwa

morning all

11:00 am

mkg

did everyone see that Floyds fiance said he would be horrified by the rioting? he was a peaceful person. how sad.

11:01 am

mkg

i wish we had some black leaders who preached peaceful demonstrating...my son and wife went to a peaceful "sit in" in brooklyn protesting the police violence.

11:02 am

mkg

if the cop who killed floyd wasnt arrested for murder, then i would feel the riots were called for. but what do the rioters want??????he was arrested for murder!

11:03 am

jmcnrick

had to drop out just at the crucial time. Car I think it is you that wants her to walk away and I think you are right. She should just leave that dog alone.

11:03 am

jmcnrick

Did I miss Snuffy?

11:03 am

Trifioso

respectfully, mkg. we did have peaceful protests - LOTS of them. What happened when Colin Kapernick took a knee?

11:04 am

jmcnrick

mkg he was charged with a lesser charge than first degree murder and basically this is not the first murder by cop. They want it to stop. completely.

11:04 am

rururocks

mkg they want murder one and he deserves it

11:04 am

mkg

yes there have been thankfully so many peaceful protests.

11:04 am

jmcnrick

DC was mostly peaceful until the event at St. Johns.

11:05 am

mkg

he should get murder one. i have been stopped for a ticket by cops who are so brutal and obnoxious and scarey that i am shocked.

11:05 am

mkg

What trump did to the peaceful protesters in DC is so awful.

11:05 am

jmcnrick

anyway I while I normally LOVE to talk politics with you guys even when I disagree I came for escape today.

11:05 am

mkg

so cops approach the public as if we are all murders and guilty and it is horrible

11:06 am

mkg

sorry jmcnrick

11:06 am

mkg

on to the grid.

11:06 am

cybernan

mkg -- the rioters are not the protesters, they are a bunch of thugs and thieves taking advantage of the situation. I would wager that most of the rioters have criminal records

11:06 am

mkg

i wanted to get to only 100 left but cant manage it yet

11:06 am

mkg

nan you are so right

11:06 am

moolingwa

140 to go

11:06 am

jmcnrick

no not at all. I appreciate people feeling they can talk about anything here

11:06 am

rururocks

27 here but poking along

11:07 am

mkg

if any of you want to read an interesting column, in the Boston Globe, the columnist Jeff Jacoby wrote some interesting stuff.

11:07 am

moolingwa

almost done ru

11:07 am

mkg

only 27? go ruru!

11:07 am

jmcnrick

the destruction a block from my house night before last was not anything to do with the protests 5 miles away

11:07 am

jmcnrick

go ru!

11:07 am

misstearweus

Hello! I don't even comment here, but since you asked. There is a stark difference between those who are rioting and those who are protesting. Those protesting, (including me 3 times this week, very peacefully) are focused on much, much more than just the arrest of one officer, but a systemic and continuously entrenched racist approach to policing. It goes to the disparity in the legal system, education and even health. There is so much to unpack here. As a black woman, not one day goes by without me experiencing racism either directly or indirectly. We can never turn it off. Whether its finding ourselves counted out in the workplace, being labeled "as not as good as", or even having to worry about our sons and daughters just being human in America. The protests are not limited to just one finite thing, but years and years of constant reminders that there are more obstacles for us, then others.

11:07 am

cybernan

and after the stunt he pulled yesterday with the bible act, I think Trump is the biggest thug of all

11:07 am

jmcnrick

I recommend Colbert King in the Wash Post

11:08 am

Mubner

I agree with you misstearweus

11:08 am

jmcnrick

good for you misstear. I thank you. I try to support you.

11:09 am

rururocks

As do I

11:09 am

cybernan

absolutely misstear

11:09 am

vashongin

very eloquently said, misstear.

11:10 am

bojazz

Very well said misstearweus. My attitude is under renovation. Can't continue sitting on the sidelines and hoping for better...

11:11 am

mkg

interesting name misstearweus......are you a magician? or very strange???????? cute name

11:11 am

bojazz

reearn

11:12 am

vashongin

ty bo...needed that one :)

11:12 am

jmcnrick

ty bojazz

11:12 am

misstearweus

and just to paint a pic, not all the protestors are young. I'm an established executive, with a healthy slice of the American dream, well into my 40s. I locked hands with those even older than me this weekend. Many of these young folks helped us older folks to get the courage to be vocal in a different way. I work hard to bring other black and brown people along at work and in my community. It felt very cathartic to chant and kneel. Since I was girl, the pain sometimes, just makes you, like Marvin said "wanna holla"

11:13 am

misstearweus

Not a magician mkg, a vapor from my sorority days. :)

11:13 am

Mubner

Marvin captured it perfectly.

11:13 am

mkg

misstear, you are so right as to the issues. I live outside of washington DC and I believe there are more middle and upper middle class blacks in our area than elsewhere because of the government jobs. but you are right that there is still a way to go until people are "colorblind".

11:14 am

jmcnrick

well we are glad you jumped into the conversation. I think Babbleland is one of the most open places I have ever participated.

11:14 am

mkg

who is marvin???????

11:14 am

Mubner

Marvin Gaye

11:14 am

mkg

well I am happy that you did join our chat.

11:14 am

MollyL

I miss Marvin.

11:14 am

mkg

ok marvin gaye.....ok.

11:14 am

misstearweus

and personally, my hope is that we are NOT colorblind, but can get to a place where each of our color and background is revered and celebrated! ---mkg, Marvin Gaye. :)

11:15 am

jmcnrick

Well said again misstear

11:15 am

misstearweus

I have a very colorful family. I cherish each background, upbringing and vibrant culture each of them brings. See me and black woman and say, "hello, great to have your unique thoughts, experiences and background at the table!"

11:16 am

jmcnrick

I was raised color blind but realized that was a rejection of people who are different than I am. Not my goal.

11:16 am

mkg

i believe that most police forces need to have real education for their cops about how to greet the public. Even as a white person, they come across so rough and tough and scarey most of the time. They view all people as criminals. In their heads we are all guilty until proven innocent. And sometimes the police women are even worse........

11:16 am

misstearweus

I do the same with others.

11:17 am

jmcnrick

mkg there was an extensive study in the 1970s that said just that--training made all the difference. But almost no police departments do more than a perfunctory training.

11:17 am

mkg

what i mean by color blind is that we see people as individuals and not anything else. that is how i go through life. and each person should be totally valued for who and what they are.

11:18 am

misstearweus

thanks for listening, as I think this movement is what its all about. Less hostility, more listening and more understanding. I do love the open dialogue that I have with my friends and family. I have bi-racial nieces and nephews that I want to make sure I live up to the promise our family unions have created.

11:18 am

mkg

it is time we protest with signs saying "educate your police force so that no more lives are snuffed out".....?

11:18 am

mkg

misstearweus, please continue to be included in the chat........ok?

11:18 am

jmcnrick

go for it mkg.

11:18 am

Mubner

Malcolm Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" grappled with this issue, Sandra Bland debacle. Good read.

11:19 am

mkg

my hubby told me of a very interesting study with babies:

11:20 am

misstearweus

sure thing...I have cautiously read them these last few days coming here to tune out the pain and anguish. For almost 20 years now, I come here to cancel the world and relax. :)

11:20 am

rururocks

we just have so far to go in this country.. i thought it was getting better but now it's worse than ever

11:22 am

misstearweus

roru, now its just being exposed due to phone cameras. Those of us who live it everyday really don't see it as worse. Now there is more proof to show the rest of the world. For every Aubery, there are hundreds that go unreported and swept under the rug do to the good old boy network.

11:23 am

cybernan

We live in an area where there are very few coloured folk, yet we also have police brutality. It stems from frustration with "slap on the wrist" judges as well growing misconduct among the population. I don't think police training should be confined to racial attitudes. As I have said before, a good start would be to weed out the bullies before they even get into the law enforcement schools.

11:23 am

rururocks

true.. i have a friend who like you is an executive and drives a nice car and gets pulled over all the time, even though he is in an expensive suit and is as classy as they come

11:23 am

misstearweus

I have two brothers, they live on opposite coasts and I wear my head shaved. ALL OF US have been stopped by police, mistaken identity detained, etc. All college educated, military and law abiding citizens.

11:24 am

rururocks

i get it..

11:25 am

misstearweus

Iast year, I went jogging near work. I have never jogged through the neighborhood. I got stung by a bee and had to sit. Someone called the police. They rolled up and asked me why I was there. Mind you, Im in about $200 worth of Lulelemon. Couldn't even attend to my wound.

11:26 am

misstearweus

The officer was nice, but why would a home owner call the police on me. I had nothing in my hands and am in full on run gear and ear buds. And you cannot go crying about it once you get back to work.

11:26 am

misstearweus

so you hold on to things, over and over again. Before you know it, you marching, chanting and kneeling.

11:27 am

misstearweus

and to paint the picture, I do live in Georgia

11:27 am

rururocks

oh.. that makes it clearer

11:28 am

Mubner

I have no words

11:30 am

vashongin

I don't understand why the homeowner didn't come out and just ask you what was wrong. I just don't know where our compassion has gone.

11:31 am

Tabbycat2

Miss tear, thank you for your remarks. I believe that the constant level of stress that people of color experience is why they have more hypertension and related health problems

11:31 am

misstearweus

In December I was on a cruise ship. I bought a tix for the slide, but it was closed. Went the next day, new white attendant. He said I had to buy a tix. I told him I got one the day before. He demanded he see it. I stepped out of line and the white family behind me said the same thing. He let them go on by. Meanwhile I had to trek back to my room to show him my tix. Same thing happened each time I went to access the VIP section of the boat, which I paid for. I'd get stopped, have to show my credentials. White families, just breezed on through. I can go on and on...this is the reality of some many black people.

11:31 am

misstearweus

Agreed Tabbycat. Been on HBP pills since I was 29, and I'm healthy...which is why I justify Lululemon's prices! LOL!

11:32 am

rururocks

why are luluemon clothes so expensive (not to change the subject/ but want to know?)

11:33 am

misstearweus

I travel for work...90% I get stopped to prove I have a first class tickets to access the VIP security line. Sometimes, I'm even with my white co-workers in a group, I'll still get stopped...*sigh* We have to grin and bear it, because as soon as we express our outrage, we're angry black people.

11:33 am

misstearweus

Good segue ruru, wish I knew and didn't have such a habit!!!

11:34 am

rururocks

i see it at the airports all the time misst it's true

11:36 am

IndiaJan

because fools like me keep buying the damned brand..cant help it...love lulu

11:36 am

misstearweus

what can help is when you see it happening, say something! I see my white sister in laws, exhausting themselves doing it. I sometimes have to tell them, it's OK to take a break from it, somedays, I just don't have the energy. What they say? "My son (or daughter) will be seen as black when they grow up, and I can't stand knowing they will be treated this way." When you intervene, it says, no it's not OK for me to be granted access with ease, while you deny others.

11:36 am

misstearweus

<---fool too IndiaJan

11:37 am

misstearweus

Between my Peloton, Lululemon and Fabletics, I have achieved complete fitness suckerdom.

11:37 am

rururocks

great idea miss.. i will do that.

11:38 am

misstearweus

It makes my day, when white people have spoken up. It says, hey, I see you.

11:39 am

misstearweus

I can't even express how invisible you feel when people just don't even acknowledge the disrespect

11:41 am

rururocks

the rioting clouds the issue I bet for a lot of middle america, but I think the message this time is pretty loud and clear

11:42 am

helenkeller

what's the message you're getting ?

11:42 am

rururocks

we need more powerful white people to speak up we need a president to say this isn't ok and black lives matte

11:42 am

misstearweus

agreed. The rioting hurts my heart, because for the 1000th time, the focus goes to they are violent, restless destructive people, further perpetuating the idea that black people have to be policed differently.

11:43 am

misstearweus

Takes away from the vast majority of the peaceful protesting.

11:44 am

helenkeller

Interesting. The message I'm seeing is that law enforcement needs better education and also more hands-on mental health, more anger management screening, more psych screening to start with.

11:44 am

rururocks

the message I'm getting Helen is that things have not changed, that this racism is everywhere and people are dying.

11:44 am

helenkeller

Oh, things have indeed changed, and for the worse.

11:45 am

rururocks

we need more mental health evaluations for police officers that is for sure

11:45 am

rururocks

it has gotten worse.. or maybe more blatantly obvious

11:45 am

misstearweus

There are white americans who take in these images and see a fitness freak sitting on a curb nursing bee sting, and say, "oh no, my neighborhood is not safe. Let me call 911."

11:46 am

rururocks

i would have come out to help

11:46 am

helenkeller

I can't tell you how many times, I've sat on public transportation & exchanged glances with older black people about how teens & 20's kids act, mostly black, because they're showing the most attitude.

11:47 am

helenkeller

Then we start to have a conversation. I feel so bad for these elderly people who remember The March on Washington & what the vibe was then.

11:47 am

misstearweus

and Ruru, can you believe the very same thing happened to me when i was in highschool in VA back in the 90s. A woman called the police because I stopped on a bench. I had a backpack and my field hockey stick. Full circle.

11:48 am

helenkeller

True, people need to look at all other people by how they comport themselves, not by anything else.

11:49 am

misstearweus

helen, I'm with you. I've been there. so many kids black and white have attitudes and bad ones. They can be a nuisance and even threatening. I move away from them, ready for the ride to be over. I do not however, believe they should be mistreated by the police.

11:49 am

cybernan

I wish that would do more good than it does. I remember being on a walking tour in London. I had been talking with a another woman that was on the tour when a man from New Orleans sat down with us. I asked him about the reconstruction (this was following Katrina) and he replied that it was all done. I said I had just read the previous that there was a huge section of the city where the debris hadn't even been picked up yet and so assumed it was an old report. His reply was "oh no -- we don't care if those areas ever get cleaned up. We don't want those people back. AT which point I got up and escused myself saying I didn't wish to sit with bigots and went to the next table where my husband was sitting with another couple who we had earlier learned were workmates from the Bank of Scotland. The icing on the cake is that one of them was a woman of colour. However when I looked back at the table I had left, the guy just shrugged and turned his back on me.

11:51 am

cybernan

* I guess he didn't see the steam coming out of my ears

11:51 am

misstearweus

one act at at time, creates a title wave (remember the ballpark). Doing it over and over again, creates habit, and over time, shames those who continue bad behavior.

11:53 am

misstearweus

That is how women's right and male chauvenism was changed over the last half of the the 20th century. We went from girls, broads and little ladies, to women with respect and power.

11:53 am

misstearweus

We have a ways to go, but we are definitely not characters from the 40s and 50s silverscreen anymore.

11:53 am

rururocks

you should chat more often miss

11:54 am

misstearweus

did I mention I'm a public speaker...? :)

11:54 am

rururocks

:D

11:54 am

helenkeller

Another thing that can be changed is education, especially history. The straight out truth needs to be told & taught, not just about America's horrible history, but how the pattern of rich oppressing poor, strong oppressing weak, is a global problem. Kids today don't seem to have any worldliness about themselves.

11:55 am

helenkeller

In painful detail.

11:55 am

Tabbycat2

I'm seeing some backsliding on women's rights

11:56 am

helenkeller

Tab - that's what happens when things start getting taken for granted. Vigilance is what's needed to ensure forward progress.

11:56 am

misstearweus

Agreed. The assault starts early for young black people. The first thing you learn about your history as a kid is, "your ancestors were slaves." Can you wrap your head around the pathology from there? Yes, there was emancipation, but you were in bondage for 300 years. You spend the rest of your education learning more about your contribution and impact on the world.

11:57 am

helenkeller

Try this on for size: My parents were slaves.

11:57 am

misstearweus

me too Tabbycat2, gotta stay vigilant. I was on a conference call the other day. White male leader, called his colleagues wife, "little lady". I growled under my breath.

11:58 am

misstearweus

Helen: and I'm sure that does something to you right? it adds to your fervor to excel, be your best and avoid control at all costs.

12:00 pm

helenkeller

When foreigners come into your country, speaking a foreign language, abduct you, take you back to their country, force you to work for no pay, very little food . . . that's slavery. That's what happened to Poland & other small European nations from the start of WWII. My mother abducted to Germany, my father to Siberia.

12:01 pm

helenkeller

And, yes, it did do something: Exactly what you said. Plus, depression, anxiety . . .

12:03 pm

helenkeller

Human trafficking continues right now. Awareness is the first step. Then pounding in that awareness, so people don't put it on the back burner.

12:03 pm

misstearweus

Agreed. And that's the type of feeling that builds up over time, it can create depression and even hostility. That experience and perspective should be welcomed to the table, and included as part of the American fabric. I miss the value by turning a "colorblind" eye to your experience and lumping it in with all white americans. Instead, I cherish the dialogue and richness it would bring to a project, a conversation and a community.

12:05 pm

misstearweus

white is so many things, black is so many things, asian is so many things, etc. When we open ourselves up to the endless spectrums within those colors and cultures, we really see all the wonderful differences and the endless similarities.

12:07 pm

misstearweus

and with that, I have a date with a sandwich and a pop. Happy Babbling ya'll.

12:07 pm

helenkeller

Thanks. So happy you see that. It's hard for me to convince people that I'm not being dismissive of color issues, just that I look at all this from a European perspective, not an American one. I don't feel guilty for the slavery here, I am angry about slavery in other places. It's all the same thing. Some white Americans need to deal with what their ancestry did first.

12:07 pm

hurshy

i hope by pop you mean your dad or grandad :D

12:07 pm

helenkeller

Good talk, stay safe.

12:08 pm

misstearweus

pop=Dr. Pepper (my midwest side of the family coming out...) :)

12:08 pm

hurshy

down with soda!

12:09 pm

bichon

I drink diet soda because its the only sweet think I can consume

12:10 pm

hurshy

the aspartame in diet soda means that drinking 1 can per day increases your risk of cancer as much as smoking does

12:10 pm

hokie carla

hi again! lunch break here. I drink Coke Zero because I don't have a lot of vices and I enjoy soda.

12:11 pm

hokie carla

I don't think there has been any actual proof that aspartame causes cancer.

12:11 pm

bichon

It's the only thing I can eat/drink that makes me happy

12:13 pm

hokie carla

https://tinyurl.com/y5wvy9du

12:14 pm

hurshy

weird, i thought i read an article a couple years ago that said that it does - i mean, a reputable article. but now i don't see it.

however, systemic racism, along with climate change and many other ills, are fueled primarily by large corporations' desire to maintain the status quo of society. so, the less we buy from them, the better.

12:14 pm

hurshy

bichon, are you diabetic? is that why?

12:15 pm

72 Temple Owl

friend who drank constantly says his oncologist confirmed that no matter the propaganda, his kidney cancer was, if not a direct cause, a big predisposing factor.

12:16 pm

72 Temple Owl

sorry, by his drinking of diet soda.

12:16 pm

72 Temple Owl

that did not come out right, but i think you get the drift.

12:17 pm

hurshy

aha, vindicated by hearsay from an oncologist!

12:17 pm

hokie carla

how much did he drink? and did he have that PKU?

12:17 pm

72 Temple Owl

i don't think it's exactly hearsay. i think it's anecdotal evidence.

12:17 pm

hokie carla

yeah, I always trust anecdotal hearsay. (no offense, TO)

12:18 pm

bichon

Yes, I am hurshy. The only sweets I consume is diet soda. Lower on the carbs

12:18 pm

72 Temple Owl

no plu. it was his beverage of choice. we know lots of folks for whom soda of some kind is the beverage of choice.

12:18 pm

72 Temple Owl

i don't trust anything i hear via the net. anywhere.

12:18 pm

72 Temple Owl

including here

12:19 pm

hokie carla

my oldest bro is diabetic and has been drinking diet soft drinks for over 30 years with no problem, if you want some more anecdotal evidence. ;)

12:19 pm

hurshy

i was just being humorous about the fact that while i do feel vindicated by it, obviously there is an element of the game of telephone here which makes it impossible for anyone to be convinced by that. :D

12:19 pm

hokie carla

me either, TO.

12:19 pm

72 Temple Owl

no one is on the net to be convinced.

12:20 pm

hokie carla

yeah, but some people (like my mom on FB) seem to fall for everything

12:20 pm

mkg

On thing I suggest: there are amazing biographies of the wealthy like Henry Ford, Vanderbuilt, Carnegie etc. and it shows how they were rich and their workers were living in horrible poverty.

12:20 pm

hurshy

in hindsight, maybe the terms "net" and "web" should have forewarned us

12:20 pm

72 Temple Owl

people are on the net for many reasons

12:20 pm

mkg

There is something about many many males which is that they tend to be all for themselves and for no one else. They totally lack empathy and sympathy in their genes.

12:21 pm

72 Temple Owl

people are mostly on the net to reinforce their existing values. or to show them off.

12:22 pm

72 Temple Owl

time to plant the garden. poor tomatoes are sitting in their little pots.

12:22 pm

hokie carla

well, I still have 90 words left. don't think I found one on my lunch break. now back to my painting touch-ups and then I will be finished with this project! nice chatting. TTFN.

12:23 pm

mkg

I read the one of the things religion tries to do is get Man to be less selfish and to have empathy and sympathy. If only religion or anything could imbue man with the empathy gene......i believe women have it in order to nurture their children but many males just dont have much of it. And I know that you will say there are plenty of men who do have it, and I agree: my sons, my husband, my son in laws...etc. but unfortunately there are so so many males who dont have it.....

12:23 pm

mkg

oops sorry the chat moved on and i didnt. i am sorry

12:28 pm

cybernan

hi again - new patio almost finished - just went out for final inspections :)

12:29 pm

hurshy

sounds nice nan

12:31 pm

hurshy

phantom: cheese

12:32 pm

hurshy

phantom: mecca

12:37 pm

hurshy

phantom: sneeze

12:38 pm

origami

My water heater has died :-(

12:38 pm

hurshy

;(

12:38 pm

hurshy

should we send flowers?

12:38 pm

rururocks

yeah water lilies

12:38 pm

origami

The service is pending :D

12:39 pm

hurshy

wow, i really gave you the perfect setup for a great pun there, ru

12:39 pm

rururocks

you did indeed

12:44 pm

origami

I'm thinking about getting an electric on-demand one.

12:44 pm

hurshy

that shows you movies in the shower?

12:44 pm

rururocks

my ex has one of those and loves it

12:45 pm

rururocks

i try to be not so demanding but that's me

12:45 pm

jmcnrick

they are pretty good origmi but you have to have patience for the warm water

12:46 pm

origami

Did not enjoy my cold shower this morning.

12:49 pm

jmcnrick

you'd be completely in the cold then ru

12:50 pm

Uneaixoise

240 down.....wanna finish this sucker!

12:51 pm

jmcnrick

go une go

12:51 pm

cybernan

last re 8 please?

12:51 pm

hurshy

22 left here and i only keep seeing words i already have

12:51 pm

hurshy

scientists do re8, nan

12:52 pm

rururocks

i bet that was cold ori

12:53 pm

Uneaixoise

Tx hursh!

12:53 pm

origami

jmc - I was reading about them and I think in my climate the water doesn't take long to heat.

12:54 pm

cybernan

ty hurshy - going word blind he4

12:54 pm

hurshy

np

12:54 pm

origami

I didn't dawdle in there, ru :D

12:54 pm

rururocks

bet you didn't know you could scrub that fast did you

12:54 pm

hurshy

dawdle is a good word

12:56 pm

origami

Nor did I dilly-dally :D

12:56 pm

hurshy

i might dilly, but i wouldn't dally

12:56 pm

72 Temple Owl

jmc here?

12:57 pm

rururocks

as long as you weren't all higgeldy piggedly about it ori :D

12:57 pm

origami

:D

12:58 pm

origami

No lollygagging in the shower!

12:58 pm

hurshy

unless it's consensual

12:59 pm

origami

:D

1:02 pm

jmcnrick

in and outTO

1:02 pm

cybernan

do you know how much electricity they use ori?

1:05 pm

origami

I believe they use less energy than either a gas or electric tank heater. One advantage is that they don't need venting like the gas ones. And we have publicly owned electric service here, so the rates are pretty good.

1:06 pm

MollyL

Ooo, shower shenanigans

1:07 pm

cybernan

but don't you still need a hot water heater for the washer and dishwasher?

1:07 pm

cybernan

or will all the appliances, sinks, etc. be connected to it?

1:07 pm

sammysmom

sorry about your water heater origami.. ours died a few weeks ago to the tune of eleven hundred bucks

1:07 pm

origami

Yes, but it would service them also.

1:08 pm

origami

Yikes mom

1:08 pm

cybernan

ok, so it a household one, not one just for the shower

1:09 pm

origami

Yes, a household one.

1:10 pm

cybernan

all that kind of stuff has gone way up in price in the last few years. We had a 30 year gap between house building and renos on the new place --- was that ever a shock

1:11 pm

cybernan

My 10 grand kitchen from 1990 cost 35 grand to replace.

1:12 pm

MollyL

Jeeze, my parents paid 35,000 for their first 4-bedroom house back in the 70's

1:12 pm

rururocks

my dad paid $17,000 for his first house

1:12 pm

rururocks

it's now worth $850,000

1:12 pm

cybernan

lol molly -- we built our first house for 18,000 in 1967

1:13 pm

MollyL

Today that house is worth almost 500,000

1:14 pm

rururocks

i don't think i could ever survive trying to build a house now

1:14 pm

cybernan

when we moved back here in 1990 the people who bought it offered to sell it back to us for 1.5 million

1:15 pm

cybernan

it seems in our absence view property came into demand and we had an acre of it.

1:16 pm

sammysmom

stuck on the second de 7/36 ??

1:17 pm

cybernan

you usually see it as a pt meaning died

1:18 pm

cybernan

or dead

1:18 pm

sammysmom

thanks cybernan

1:19 pm

cybernan

yw

1:20 pm

cybernan

ec 6/39 please?

1:21 pm

sammysmom

ec 6... a skin problem no one wants

1:21 pm

rururocks

skin disorder

1:22 pm

cybernan

ty sam and ru

1:23 pm

cybernan

*!*~*!* thanks for the help :)

1:23 pm

sammysmom

w..

1:25 pm

cybernan

must go and see if the patio has dried yet -- anxious to get the excess polymer sand swept off and the furniture and flowerpots out.

1:29 pm

sammysmom

we have fireworks !! off to lunch hagd all

1:32 pm

mattygroves

i keep seeing echo, and it's just not there.

1:36 pm

Uneaixoise

Me too!

1:37 pm

jmcnrick

echo echo echo

1:38 pm

amelu0218

congrats on the baby girl, matty! She's beautiful! Also, change the last vowel & pl on your phantom, lol.

1:38 pm

jmcnrick

wtg sammys

1:39 pm

mattygroves

I actually have the non-phantom, thanks! And thank you - I really must change the picture - she's at home now (in Australia) and gaining weight and healthy - you'd never know now how traumatic her first days were

1:41 pm

mattygroves

Also, randomly echidna. Also not there.

1:41 pm

MollyL

I want to see a picture of Grandma and Tilly

1:42 pm

mattygroves

So do I.

1:42 pm

mattygroves

Maybe...November? December?

1:42 pm

mattygroves

Sarah sent me a mug with Tilly on it (well, pictures of Tilly. The alternative is horrifying.)

1:43 pm

mattygroves

Now I have the Who song Pictures of Lily in my head. Which is about something entirely different.

1:44 pm

mattygroves

I keep seeing cheese as well (in the grid)

1:47 pm

amelu0218

lol, yeah, a phantom for me as well.

1:57 pm

Trifioso

has anyone else tried "shart?"

1:58 pm

doseffing

no ... but you can change the final consonent to either of two consonants and to a vowel and get something

1:59 pm

Trifioso

just so, dos, ty!

2:04 pm

Haz1558

nerv e

2:05 pm

jmcnrick

ty dose

2:05 pm

jmcnrick

ty haz

2:05 pm

doseffing

... most welcome

2:09 pm

72 Temple Owl

hello haz and hello jmc

2:10 pm

72 Temple Owl

jmc how are you feeling today?

2:10 pm

jmcnrick

better thanks. definitely on the mend

2:11 pm

72 Temple Owl

glad to hear

2:11 pm

72 Temple Owl

was there damage tot he commercial area up there?

2:12 pm

jmcnrick

yes. but pretty clear it had nothing to do with the protest except to give an excuse.

2:12 pm

jmcnrick

The store one block from my house they smashed the window but the only place they stole from that I know is the CVS==presription drugs

2:13 pm

72 Temple Owl

yikes! glad your food source sounds ok

2:14 pm

72 Temple Owl

wondering what people will do when they have to cook a meal for a family. thinking the looters do not have that responsibility.

2:14 pm

jmcnrick

even downtown the places that go smashed night before last were a CVS and clothing stores. The IMF and World Bank were untouched. That speaks volumes for who and why looting occured.

2:15 pm

72 Temple Owl

here, they hit food stores and are blowing up ATMs. one guy died doing that.

2:16 pm

jmcnrick

the thieves are mainly teenage and young men

2:16 pm

jmcnrick

again blowing up an ATM is a crime of opportunity not protest that BLM.

2:16 pm

72 Temple Owl

starbucks was burned, i took that as a political statement. high end stores - the stuff you and i think are high priced crap- were cleaned out.

2:17 pm

jmcnrick

bet they are for sale cheap at markets this weekend

2:17 pm

72 Temple Owl

you know it.

2:18 pm

72 Temple Owl

but food stores...there is a food desert in west philly and they hit the only supermarket.

2:18 pm

origami

Sorry you guys are having that happen in your area. The protests have been largely peaceful here. There is a curfew in place and the National Guard is here.

2:19 pm

72 Temple Owl

i feel so bad for the local businesses. west philly was vibrant.

2:19 pm

origami

I have to go get some food. Back later.

2:22 pm

72 Temple Owl

well i am glad to see you and hear you are better. i have to finish planting. by the time i decide how to lay out this garden, it will be fall.

2:23 pm

72 Temple Owl

and i guess i missed haz. oh well.

2:48 pm

moolingwa

rehi, back for my last 33...or some portion thereof

2:48 pm

doseffing

... and done ... may I offer any clues for anyone? ...

2:48 pm

moolingwa

yes, can you explain strange matter?

2:50 pm

doseffing

... which strange matter do you refer to? There are so many.

2:53 pm

doseffing

... or are you looking for an astrophysical explanation of neutron stars ... in which case "strange" is just a name ... a strange quark is no more strange than and "up" quark is "up" ... or a "charmed" quark is charming ... ask uusue the next time she's on ... she knows all about that stuff

2:54 pm

doseffing

...'til next time, good luck to all who continue the struggle ... .

3:04 pm

MollyL

Are you guys for real with this conversation?

3:07 pm

moolingwa

cool

3:22 pm

hokie carla

molly, I think you meant "fo reelz"

3:29 pm

origami

Ha, hokie!

3:29 pm

hokie carla

IKR

3:30 pm

origami

:D

3:36 pm

hokie carla

just found the 2nd spelling of the russian ruler. if it's not one tripping me up it's the other

3:40 pm

Soodle

My goodness. Horrific scenes being shown on TV here of protesting, rioting and looting in the US. President Trump not being represented in a positive light. I hope all my US friends are safe and well.

3:47 pm

mkg

are there any words using both C's?

3:47 pm

hokie carla

yes, one said in the chat earlier re: smoking

3:47 pm

mkg

most of us are fine. But the cities are areas where one is not necessarily safe.

3:48 pm

mkg

ty got the ca word for what you get from smoking..

3:49 pm

hokie carla

I am not near a downtown but am close to an outlet mall and all the shopping around that. there has been some damage at some stores, but it is worse downtown.

3:49 pm

hokie carla

just found ce4/6 with both c's

3:50 pm

mkg

wow carla. wow

3:50 pm

rururocks

I would think it's very difficult to put Trump in any kind of positive light actually

3:50 pm

origami

I always try cece (as in chickpeas), but not valid.

3:50 pm

mkg

i got it too

3:51 pm

Soodle

Stay safe, fellow Babblers. (As if there wasn't enough to be worrying about with this wretched plague).

3:51 pm

hokie carla

you'd be surprised ru, at the people that can still do it

3:52 pm

mkg

astro not in dict??????

3:52 pm

hokie carla

I would consider it a prefix, but there are other words accepted that I would think are too

3:54 pm

mkg

i still have only 2 V words. need clues please with stats. ty. i have ve 4 7 and another ve 6 27 that is a top layer on furniture

3:54 pm

Soodle

For once we agree Ruru. I was attempting to be diplomatic. I know politics is a tricky subject on Babble.

3:55 pm

hokie carla

I only have 5. there is another ve4/7 that carries blood, ve6/30 & 7/44 "a ve* of disease"

3:56 pm

origami

Using the Bible as a prop in front of St. Johns hit a new low.

3:57 pm

jmcnrick

no, tear gasing people to get them out of the way so he could stand in front of the church holding an upsidedown Bible was the low. The photo op itself was not ne**ly as bad.

3:57 pm

jmcnrick

but he seems to be kind to his son.

3:58 pm

jmcnrick

yep that's pretty much all this Quaker has got.

3:58 pm

jmcnrick

He is insecure and seeking validation. He is just doing it wrong.

3:58 pm

jmcnrick

and. . . .nothing

3:59 pm

origami

Well, yes, the whole thing was a cluster.

3:59 pm

jmcnrick

ha** to argue against that origami. . .Friends were tear gassed.

4:01 pm

jmcnrick

my phone just blew up with an alarm to inform me that there is a curfew at 7 ev** though the polls close at 8. But voting or working the polls is exempt from the curfew. Now I hope they tell the military.

4:02 pm

jmcnrick

my boy is determined to vote after 7.

4:03 pm

jmcnrick

*tears in eyes* I don't know where he gets that backbone from. . .

4:04 pm

Soodle

I'm conscious that I'm not American, so not entitled to comment, but I really do fear for what will happen next. Your president is a loose canon.

4:05 pm

origami

I think we're actually on the same page jmc

4:05 pm

jmcnrick

you are not alone in thinking that Soodle. And I believe everyone is entitled to have an opinion. He looked so tiny in front of St. Johns. And St. Johns is a tiny church. But the destruction. . . .

4:06 pm

origami

Oh, I misread the ha** :D

4:07 pm

jmcnrick

haha hate is not in the grid origami

4:07 pm

origami

nor is "have." :D

4:07 pm

jmcnrick

haha nope

4:07 pm

hokie carla

I feel like you can use every day words like hard in regular convo even though it's in the grid in a grid this size

4:08 pm

hokie carla

then we'd have to ce6 everything

4:08 pm

moolingwa

one could argue that by using the * it actually highlights it in the grid more than simply typing it

4:08 pm

jmcnrick

meh it is part of the fun for me hokie, to write without using ev** everyday words in the grid. . . it is the challenge

4:08 pm

hokie carla

I concur, moo

4:09 pm

MollyL

I think the focus of the situation at hand should be on the situation at hand. Not on what Trump does or doesn't do. Is he doing stupid things? Yes. Nothing new.

4:09 pm

hokie carla

moo, how many do you have left? it is slow going here, still 64 to go

4:09 pm

jmcnrick

true moo but that was the tradition when I started here in 2008. I am a traditionalist!!!

4:10 pm

moolingwa

20 left here

4:10 pm

hokie carla

wow, well done

4:10 pm

moolingwa

yeah, it's been remarkably smooth for me today

4:11 pm

jmcnrick

valid point molls. If I wasn't afraid the bringing in of the military will let things spiral out of control I could take this more in stride. . .the boy and I laugh about a lot of his scrapes during protests.

4:11 pm

jmcnrick

wd moo

4:11 pm

jmcnrick

225 left

4:11 pm

moolingwa

tx

4:11 pm

hokie carla

I will not be catching you

4:12 pm

hokie carla

but if you want to try and guess my missing d, I won't complain

4:12 pm

moolingwa

I have 2 d's missing :)

4:12 pm

hokie carla

ha! I'm ahead of you on that one!

4:12 pm

moolingwa

indeed

4:13 pm

Soodle

Clearly the apple hasn't fallen too far from the tree, Jmc ðŸ˜Š

4:13 pm

jmcnrick

haha I am afraid that is true enough soodle

4:13 pm

MollyL

I wonder what people would do if they were in charge. It seems like a natural course of events to try and control the rioting situation. I don't know how else you do that without using some law ejforcement.

4:14 pm

hokie carla

agree, you can't have total anarchy

4:14 pm

MollyL

Enforcement

4:15 pm

moolingwa

Found this article interesting on law enforcement in times of riots: https://tinyurl.com/ya6ppeuz

4:15 pm

jmcnrick

I support law enforcement. . .but not one that is geared up like the military. And there is a great deal of evidence that the violence is not related to the anti-racist demonstrators but to White supremacists, some Leftists anarchists, and some people who just see a chance to steal things

4:16 pm

jmcnrick

yesterday, for example, a guy was tearing up bricks from the street to break windows and the demonstrators surrounded him and handed him over to the police.

4:17 pm

MollyL

Something like this was bound to happen. People are losing their shit over being out of work, having to stay home and having no money to pay their bills. We are not all getting paid to stay home and do nothing.

4:18 pm

mattygroves

Fivethirtyeight.com has an interesting article about this. The whole thing can be read here but a telling paragraph is Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave â€” and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force â€” wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters â€” it doesnâ€™t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?https://tinyurl.com/ya6ppeuz

4:19 pm

moolingwa

we reading the same site matty :)

4:19 pm

mattygroves

Great minds think alike...or at least link alike :)

4:19 pm

moolingwa

And apparently we do too ;)

4:21 pm

mattygroves

Hah! Fair point, well made ;)

4:22 pm

mattygroves

From the same article: "Experts say the following decades of research have turned up similar findings. Escalating force by police leads to more violence, not less. It tends to create feedback loops, where protesters escalate against police, police escalate even further, and both sides become increasingly angry and afraid."

4:22 pm

hokie carla

well, I need to get moving again. TTFN. have a good day, or good night sleep for matty :D

4:23 pm

mattygroves

Thank you Carla - I shall be heading to bed very shortly :)

4:23 pm

moolingwa

seeya hoke

4:23 pm

origami

Bye, hokie.

4:52 pm

Soodle

I couldn't agree more Mattie. A prime example is Northern Ireland circa 1969. Peaceful Civil Rights protests were quelled. The introduction of the army did nothing but inflame already heightened tensions. 30 years of mayhem, murder & atrocities ensued. I would not wish this type of catastrophe on any nation.

4:53 pm

Soodle

Apologies for the time lag. I'm glued to the TV.

4:56 pm

rururocks

just in case you guys didn't notice.. hell did freeze over :D

4:57 pm

Soodle

A red letter day. For sure. ðŸ˜œ

5:02 pm

origami

What's happening now, ru?

5:09 pm

moolingwa

underworldal climate change

5:09 pm

origami

Ha :D

5:27 pm

rururocks

Emailed you ori

5:29 pm

origami

Got it!

6:04 pm

periwinkle

help with 2nd de7 pls

6:05 pm

ChampFit

Pass away

6:07 pm

Gillie

Usually used in the past tense.

6:10 pm

periwinkle

ty both

6:26 pm

phandmd

good evening! even bigger puzzle tonight!

6:29 pm

penquis

hello all....

6:29 pm

phandmd

hey, Pen

6:29 pm

penquis

hi phan....

6:30 pm

phandmd

not getting very far with that 1st tile...

6:31 pm

penquis

when I start a grid, I just go systematcially around the grid and just type in as many words as I can find.....i don't do it by letter until later....

6:32 pm

phandmd

I try to get at least half of each tile in order...

6:33 pm

penquis

everyone has their own plan of attack....

6:33 pm

phandmd

yup. Not very successful with the first row... lol

6:34 pm

phandmd

but I did grey the e!

6:34 pm

penquis

i think i adopted my strategy because i feel successful for a while.. ;o)

6:34 pm

phandmd

I developed mine because I am anal!

6:36 pm

penquis

well i am pretty anal, too, lol.....

6:37 pm

origami

I play willy nilly for a while and then work on it letter by letter.

6:38 pm

penquis

after i have found as many words as I can, i look at the stats and see if I have missed a letter...

6:43 pm

origami

Sigh ... I still need 120

6:44 pm

penquis

i am down to 38....had to list when I had 55 words left....

6:45 pm

phandmd

wow! I have 73 words.

6:45 pm

penquis

well i worked on it this morning.....evenings are to finish up for me....

6:47 pm

phandmd

Yeah, this is my first time on...

6:47 pm

penquis

my routine is usually to work on the grid in the morning and finish in the evening....

6:48 pm

penquis

tonight i am noticing that there are lots of words I should have found this morning.....i was distracted this morning by the paving of the parking area opposite my place...

6:49 pm

phandmd

was that a good distraction?

6:51 pm

penquis

no.....the noise gave me a headache.....finally put headphones on.....that helped....

6:51 pm

phandmd

bummer. Sorry, glad music helped.

6:52 pm

penquis

well at least they were efficient....seemed to get a lot done....

6:52 pm

phandmd

awesome

6:59 pm

harpjane

nice sized grid today

6:59 pm

penquis

yes...

7:02 pm

harpjane

ungulate already

7:05 pm

harpjane

and a bunny

7:08 pm

penquis

can someone please clue the second de 7/36?....it's my last word....

7:12 pm

origami

stop living, pen

7:13 pm

penquis

duh....thanks....i am done...

7:15 pm

origami

Congratulations, pen. That one is a little hard to see as it usually appears as past tense.

7:16 pm

phandmd

good job. I did get more than 1/2 way iwith my 1st run... Now to list

7:18 pm

penquis

ty....

7:18 pm

phandmd

on 2n thought. I think I will try to find my new puppy...

7:19 pm

penquis

heading out.....going back to my Fringe binge.... po)

7:19 pm

penquis

goodnight all.....

7:19 pm

phandmd

good night

7:21 pm

origami

'night, pen

7:29 pm

harpjane

What are the stats for the 2nd column E please?

7:29 pm

periwinkle

ma6/27 pls

7:33 pm

origami

ma6/27 - male + former Marxist from Argentina

7:34 pm

origami

Took me that long to figure out how to clue it :D

7:35 pm

periwinkle

ty but have no idea about the end of the word

7:35 pm

MollyL

Great conversation here today about what is going on in these united states. misstearweus added some great insight and was very tolerant of some who made some unfortunate remarks.

7:36 pm

origami

Maybe Molly can give a better clue than mine

7:39 pm

periwinkle

is the ma7 related to the ma6?

7:40 pm

origami

Yep

7:41 pm

origami

Last name of the Marxist was Guevara

7:46 pm

periwinkle

ty ori

7:47 pm

periwinkle

4 left

7:47 pm

periwinkle

help with 4th re8 pls

7:48 pm

periwinkle

nm

7:49 pm

periwinkle

and done

7:49 pm

HarryHood

83 here. going to the list

7:56 pm

HarryHood

ooh the first frozen apple juice enriched with vitamin C

7:59 pm

origami

Could I please have a clue for the last ma 6/24?

7:59 pm

HarryHood

one who homogenizes spuds

8:01 pm

origami

Good grief. I always miss the obvious.

8:01 pm

origami

thank you

8:01 pm

HarryHood

yw :)

8:13 pm

hokie carla

I'm back again. Do I go to the list for last 64 or try to find more?

8:13 pm

hokie carla

think I'm going to have to go to the list

8:13 pm

HarryHood

come to the dark side carla

8:14 pm

hokie carla

when I look at how many I've found it feels pretty respectable. :D

8:15 pm

HarryHood

nobody is judging you :)

8:16 pm

hokie carla

I know. we are our own harshest critics.

8:16 pm

HarryHood

14 left. I was missing some pretty obvious ones

8:17 pm

hokie carla

yeah, have already found 3 a4 that I should've gotten. so easy to miss obvious ones with this many words.

8:22 pm

origami

Well, I have 82 left and have listed. We'll see ...

8:22 pm

HarryHood

I listed at 83 :)

8:22 pm

HarryHood

last word

8:22 pm

hokie carla

I always miss the skin condition that both my kids have!

8:22 pm

origami

But you guys are better than I am

8:23 pm

HarryHood

done!

8:23 pm

origami

At this game I mean. Didn't mean to sound snarky :D

8:23 pm

origami

Yay, Harry!

8:23 pm

hokie carla

lol

8:23 pm

HarryHood

yay!

8:23 pm

hokie carla

well done, harry

8:23 pm

welki

hi, folks

8:23 pm

HarryHood

gotta go put hdrogen peroxide on my kids leg

8:23 pm

HarryHood

hi welki!

8:24 pm

origami

Hi Welki!

8:24 pm

welki

the fizzing takes their minds off the wound :)

8:24 pm

Nef

Hi welki; I just got here for the first time today

8:24 pm

HarryHood

he said he got a "small scrape" from his bike, I looked at it yesterday and it looks like a grizzly mawled his leg

8:24 pm

welki

hi ori!

8:24 pm

HarryHood

good night

8:24 pm

welki

NEF! it's good to 'see' you!

8:25 pm

welki

'nite, harry

8:25 pm

Nef

Harry, if you're going to use H2O2, make it half strenght

8:25 pm

hokie carla

oh gosh, hope it heals nicely

8:25 pm

origami

Listen to Nef's advice Harry. Nurses know these things.

8:25 pm

Nef

full strength peroxide is too caustic to allow the wound to heal.

8:25 pm

origami

Hi Nef

8:26 pm

hokie carla

interesting, I did not know that. I did used to love watching the fizzing when I was a kid, so welki is onto something.

8:26 pm

Nef

Hi ori and hokie. How are you guys anyway?

8:27 pm

welki

same as when we were kids, nef? because i can't remember it any other way than straight out of the brown bottle!

8:27 pm

origami

Hanging in there, Nef. Curfew here these days. Sigh.

8:27 pm

hokie carla

hanging in there, how about you?

8:27 pm

hokie carla

ha! ori, great minds...

8:28 pm

origami

:D

8:29 pm

Nef

we used half strength peroxide in the hospital all the time for tracheotomy cares; it will actually eat away on the new healing tissues

8:29 pm

welki

heh - curfew schmurfew, i wouldn't know the difference *lol*

8:29 pm

origami

Doesn't really impact me, for sure. Nowhere to go.

8:30 pm

origami

Welki - someone on Facebook posted a quote that Canadians must feel like people living in a nice apartment over a meth lab :D

8:30 pm

hokie carla

I don't know if we have one here

8:31 pm

welki

my father would put it on fresh wounds/scrapes just to clean them out - maybe if it was used more often, there would have been bad results

8:31 pm

origami

It's the protests here hokie

8:31 pm

Nef

we have a curfew here too; and it seems to help now (especially with the National Guard here). I don't understand why people think they won't be arrested after curfew; but at the site of George Floyd's death, they are allowing all night vigils.

8:31 pm

hokie carla

we are having protests too but haven't heard about a curfew

8:32 pm

welki

ori - that's so off the mark hokie. we have the same problems as you, but not as big of a population, so it doesn't make the headlines

8:32 pm

origami

My mother always doused every wound liberally with peroxide until a doctor told her not to use it on puncture wounds because it impedes healing.

8:32 pm

hokie carla

I think more accurately it's due to the rioting, not the protests

8:33 pm

Nef

welki, it still fizzes with half strength now. I have found that there are different strengths of it these days; maybe all peroxide was a lower strength back then?

8:33 pm

origami

Yes, sorry. I stand corrected. I shouldn't have used the term "protest." It is, indeed, the rioting.

8:33 pm

welki

that's what i'm thinking, nef - or we'd all be walking wounds :)

8:34 pm

Nef

LOL! Very true, welki.

8:34 pm

welki

(and sorry i inserted 'hokie' into my reply to ori)

8:34 pm

hokie carla

I think once it stopped fizzing we stopped using it

8:34 pm

welki

yep, because then it was "clean" - very scientific :D

8:35 pm

hokie carla

lol, I am in a dark movie room and struggling to read this chat, so I didn't even see that, welki

8:35 pm

hokie carla

exactly, welki

8:36 pm

Nef

Ori, there are different people involved in the protests (which have all been peaceful here & made up of local multiracial people who seem to know each othe; and the rioters; who were white (but not all from out of state as originally reported). Then there were the looters; mostly blacks, and (as someone said) taking advantage of the opportunity.

8:37 pm

hokie carla

and in case that wasn't clear, I'm struggling to read because I need readers :D

8:38 pm

Nef

how many of you ever had mercurichrome used on cuts and scrapes? Not THAT stuff hurt!!!

8:38 pm

welki

time to go - g'night ladies!

8:38 pm

origami

Yes, I know, Nef. I used the wrong term. I 100% uphold the right to protest.

8:38 pm

origami

Good night, welki.

8:38 pm

hokie carla

yep. I think my mom had some when I was a kid that was like 20 years old

8:38 pm

Nef

hoki, readers are wonderful; just don't try walking around with them on.

8:39 pm

welki

(i still have mecurichrome, less than 20 years old)

8:39 pm

hokie carla

and I remember my neighbor mixing mercurochrome with baby oil for suntanning

8:39 pm

welki

old school wound care. and really --- bye!

8:40 pm

hokie carla

nef, I have readers all over the house, just not in this movie room with me. hard to watch the movie with them on.

8:40 pm

origami

My grandmother was a big believer in mercurochrome and methiolate. I forget which one burned but one was worse than straight isopropyl alcohol.

8:41 pm

hokie carla

one of my friends in high school cut her hand and her grandmother like packed brown sugar in and poured turpentine on it. she said it was awful.

8:41 pm

Nef

I forgot all about methiolate! I thinkitwas the mercurochromethat stung

8:41 pm

hokie carla

not sure I know methiolate

8:42 pm

Nef

OH, MY, hoki! that sounds awful!!

8:42 pm

mcurlschool

lets not forget the good old iodine! Man, I remember getting all of these things used for cuts and scrapes growing up.

8:43 pm

Nef

yep another oldie no longer used mcurlschool

8:43 pm

mcurlschool

How about a boric acid solution as an eye wash!

8:44 pm

hokie carla

oh my

8:44 pm

mcurlschool

it works nicely;

8:45 pm

Nef

I don't remember that one, curl, I do remember they used plain water when one of my siblings got sawdust or dirt in his eye

8:45 pm

Nef

Boric acid was great for vaginal infections back when...

8:46 pm

origami

And neosporin is evil. I had a severe burn a couple of years ago and kept putting copious amounts of neosporin on it thinking it would keep it from getting infected. Not! I developed an allergic reaction to the neosporin that led to an infection. Then my doctor told me she doesn't recommend it.

8:46 pm

Nef

sorry, mcurl,didn't mean to mess up your name

8:46 pm

mcurlschool

works amazingly for scratches or eye infections like pink eye or just a plain old cold in your eye.

8:48 pm

Trifioso

hello again friends

8:49 pm

Nef

Hi Trifioso

8:49 pm

hokie carla

ori, my kids' pediatrician told me that years ago about neosporin

8:49 pm

hokie carla

hey trif

8:49 pm

origami

Welcome back, Trif.

8:50 pm

Nef

I wonder if I will get arrested if I got out after 10 PM curfew to mail a bunch of letters (I'm supposed to be printing mailing labels so I can do it before curfew tonight)

8:51 pm

origami

I'd wait until morning, Nef. Our curfew starts at 7 pm here.

8:51 pm

origami

Especially given where you live.

8:52 pm

Nef

It starts at 10 tonight for us; the "troubles" don't start until dark it seems.

8:52 pm

hokie carla

yeah, they seem to ramp up here around 11

8:52 pm

origami

That's right, it probably gets darker earlier there, Nef.

8:53 pm

origami

*later, rather

8:53 pm

Nef

where do you live, hoki?

8:54 pm

hokie carla

Charlotte, NC suburbs

8:55 pm

origami

Oh, great! One of the fireworks seasons is upon us here. This one starts around June 1 and goes until July 15 or so. And fireworks that are illegal almost eveerywhere else are legal here. And lots of illegal ones are used also. One of my dogs gets freaked out.

8:58 pm

hokie carla

ugh. my dog, who's 3, hasn't started freaking out with storms or fireworks yet.

8:58 pm

Nef

I saw that on your profile (but my son is ruining my game and chat here by going on about the current situation here)

8:58 pm

hokie carla

we had a few days of fireworks around Mem. Day

9:02 pm

Nef

I'll be right back; he's distracting me too much from chat.

9:04 pm

origami

Hokie - My dog is a 95 lb black and tan coonhound. They are bred to hunt bear and mountain lion and she is afraid of the dishwasher, the roomba, slippery floors and fireworks.

9:08 pm

hokie carla

Mine is a golden ret. named Winston and he is scared of so many things we call him Wimpston.

9:09 pm

hokie carla

Our friends have a rhodesian ridgeback, which those are bred to fight lions or something and are very large, and he is scared of most everything, incl. grass.

9:09 pm

hokie carla

dogs are funny

9:12 pm

origami

Indeed. I figured you would actually know what a B&T Coonhound is. Most people in CA think she's a big doberman :D

9:12 pm

hokie carla

yes, I've seen them. :D

9:12 pm

hokie carla

I like hounds

9:13 pm

origami

I love hounds! They are so funny and quirky. Lots of personality. One of the many dogs we had when I was growing up was a ridgeback. She was a wonderful dog.

9:14 pm

hokie carla

my dad had beagles when I was growing up

9:14 pm

Nef

Back. Lori, does a B&T coonhound "look" like a doberman> My daughter has a B&T dog that I thought was a cross between a German Shephard and a doberman; and she weighs about 100 lbs and is very quirky.

9:14 pm

origami

I have been thinking about a beagle when my very old dogs pass on. Sounds ghoulish, but I really need a dog in my life.

9:15 pm

hokie carla

yeah, I can't imagine not having one in my life

9:15 pm

origami

The do look a little like a natural doberman (without ear and tail cropping). I'll send you a picture on FB, Nef.

9:18 pm

Nef

Thanks. Whitney if very intelligent ;but she's so funny weird in so many ways that I know it isn't the GS side of her making her do the things she does.

9:20 pm

origami

Dobies can be quirky/funny too. We had a couple of those when I was growing up and I really liked them. Wonderful dogs. Very easily trained and incredibly loyal.

9:21 pm

Nef

Googling them, Whitney's colors are exactly the opposite of what's pictured, and she has more of the GS ears ,but her face isn't right; it's too long for a GS.

9:21 pm

origami

I would get a dobie, actually, when these guys go, but I really need a smaller dog. I'm getting older and my back is shot and it is very hard to get either of them in the car. I need to downsize.

9:26 pm

Nef

She looks more like a doberman in color; her ears & tail aren't cropped. Her other dog is a cross between a bulldog and a pit bull; both of them are rescues. Whitney will growl to scold Korv if Korv jumps up on the fence to say hi or barks for no reason.

9:29 pm

hokie carla

well, the bottom part of the list turned into a real slog but I am finished.

9:37 pm

Nef

YAY, hoki carla!!! WTG!!!

9:37 pm

origami

Congratulations, hokie. I still have 80 left and probably won't finish.

9:37 pm

Nef

(my son is backbugging me again)

9:37 pm

origami

Check the pics I sent you, Nef.

9:40 pm

Nef

She looks like a silly girl! :)

9:43 pm

origami

She is a goober! Disney got it right with Goofey where the hounds are concerned :D

9:43 pm

Nef

I sent you a picture of my 3 grandbabies

9:46 pm

origami

Haven't come through yet. I'll check later. I would kill for a grandbaby :D

9:47 pm

Nef

Well, 2 of the 3 are dogs; the other 1 is a real kid.

9:48 pm

origami

Can anyone give me a clue for the ne6? I am stumped.

9:50 pm

Nef

Sorry, ori, I don'thave it yet either, but will help you look

9:58 pm

Tigereye

Pt of ne 5/16

10:00 pm

origami

Ah, thanks, tiger

10:04 pm

origami

Well, babblers, I am giving up. Too many more to find and chores to do. Have a nice evening.

10:04 pm

Nef

niters, ori.

10:05 pm

Nef

And thanks, Tigereye.

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