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FINAL SCORES

1921 joansiebone
1921 dart001
1921 SuzeeQ24
1921 gramma
1921 montreal13
1921 wvteach
1921 Sandieangel
1921 shorty
1921 grannyrose
1921 maccafixx
1921 ItalianGreyhound
1921 slothboy
1921 loredana
1921 rururocks
1921 graciecat
1921 Jacula
1921 Vicuna
1921 sammysmom
1921 LuvWordGames
1921 penquis
1921 BzznBea
1921 Catie
1921 parisla
1921 JBV
1921 isles7
1921 phaeton
1921 paintguy
1921 kangabrat
1921 bookwomen
1921 earth
1921 bubba218
1921 pabtrek
1921 nanrde
1921 galliwags
1921 cameron51us
1921 Read-Knit-Bake
1921 Kateq
1921 helenkeller
1921 dan2bit
1921 lynxxx
1921 kellyk
1921 Vioxx
1921 Dorens
1921 Funkylady
1921 ursh
1921 anike
1921 Grandma Barb
1921 72 Temple Owl
1921 saanichcat
1921 kim m
1921 reneeo
1921 pat56
1921 cybernan
1921 Mercy
1921 Bremen
1921 hurshy
1921 justafreep
1921 vashongin
1921 Michelle
1921 navcad
1921 dromano66
1921 bala
1921 Bogwoggle
1921 Lizlin
1921 mael
1921 MitchDick
1921 NANCY
1921 tnw
1921 flashman1998
1921 Kamanjah
1921 Gillie
1921 msr
1921 Aloyisius
1921 victory
1921 Atbeat
1921 claws
1921 meeker
1921 marksdolly
1921 periwinkle
1921 Tabbycat2
1921 marigold
1921 clg47
1921 SummerBreeze44
1921 stu mcc
1921 ivesy3
1921 Dianne
1921 jessmom
1921 Dippnall
1921 Chris P
1921 welki
1921 forwardbyfaith
1921 HarryHood
1921 aebmusica
1921 MelJewell
1921 ZsaZsa
1921 dizgrannie
1921 Lorrie_in_SA
1921 lbdawger
1921 DTins
1921 wht
1921 sandy211
1921 dianedecoder
1921 pcal2
1921 ChampFit
1921 dofith
1921 m9f9l
1921 poodletoes
1921 mrloser
1921 bojazz
1921 wordly wise
1921 SunnFlower
1921 broll
1899 pamrepton
1807 dejavu
1804 ladycece920
1795 Verve
1767 Turt
1752 moolingwa
1740 westford
1722 SueMagee
1635 odessa
1609 gemini_J13
1599 wildcat17
1579 nrkii
1565 maggiej
1531 bpalosky
1486 Minveryork
1471 april98
1453 Filomena
1450 angelinaxox
1420 Marian Todd
1417 hokie carla
1408 aaronsmom
1378 eliotl
1355 hydra
1351 MomStar
1342 davurs
1328 bichon
1279 rabbasar
1250 felicitas
1244 godthaab
1226 scatterbrain
1214 lomeshane2
1163 Sam
1158 ch1212
1155 Lewandjoy
1144 waskallia
1135 Zadit
1122 svingy
1075 Babbleybrook
1075 MumTT
1075 susanj2
1063 Biged
1060 mab
1050 rastapopolous
1041 chrisk
1027 rbud
1026 Andee
1025 scribekd
1003 Uneaixoise
1002 jylcat
993 Tomago
991 Sev
989 Mary
987 Miadog
978 jeanne314
976 Solitare
972 auntnope
968 Habes
966 helenary
949 asterisk
937 Fit2knit
936 Hebe
935 Ind
924 dcseain
918 tmtm
916 Soodle
916 beckyj
915 superflippy
912 Gitel
908 sally
902 evvvie
897 scorpio
893 georgiaj
893 LuvB
889 Chessy
879 mattygroves
878 Stitchknit
874 sugar
873 mtnmam
871 Shirlockc
865 Retired PJs
863 Robespierre
854 BarbaraA
854 wordplayer
839 Betsy Ross
837 jzw
836 rolin
825 Guernseygirl 2
823 Sunrise
823 tessagram
820 mkg
820 uconn
819 lexophile
817 BerniceQ
816 daisy88
813 juniperberet
810 Jayk
807 eieios
800 swmbo
799 trentsnana
799 Madyh
791 shadowedsea
790 deanoz
775 cavalier25
773 SamanthaJoy
763 nanowooster
753 wjb
750 java2
750 MaddyMadd
745 Jodeen
743 JIMMORRIS
741 aslindy
740 Calllie
736 mcurlschool
736 skheiny
735 mirandapan
735 beepbeep
734 Sam Snead
733 jeepers
728 granadan
727 windingwake
723 katiemac
722 Hillsnow
718 sooooo
709 nelleon
702 Dragonfruit
699 IndiaJan
699 Deeha
689 AnnetteL
687 dpomfr
686 silversarah
685 circqueen
683 debgpi
682 Scrabbler
677 rosalie4
677 PeggyK
675 Dachef
673 Dinoreid
672 jimmel
671 matanov
670 dc43
669 yikeym32
668 MsCorvid
668 redshoes
666 Riverdance
665 Playwoman
665 Notheroldquilter
662 gino
662 NonoNanette
660 Motek
659 rkptbound
657 robin.redbreast
656 milly24
656 barbarella1981
653 cg530
651 Snitkina
650 REG
649 Keala
645 bookworm100
645 cherlyq
642 Jeff7
642 player girl
639 suz01
638 marilyn992
636 suzysuz
632 machelle
629 Kaplan the Magne
625 mojo9292
624 lshult
611 arianell
610 Zombee
610 pigeonman
607 smithchick
603 firetender
602 jka
600 sukee
594 MollyL
593 sajarn
592 A*n*i*t*a
591 MVA
591 DojaCat
588 Sandraf
587 crayola
582 scarydeb
577 fratfitz
572 PPV
571 freakinandpeakin
570 Magpie8
566 RoundBarn
561 bobicus
557 NalaGala
556 circe
556 caps
549 jrr
548 helsmith
547 avril
546 GailMkp
545 Lindsay
542 spellit
541 pilgrim719
540 jlf
539 annotherone
535 kar976
535 Alycia
531 Petemcbride
529 8201girl
528 funhs
524 KrisE
524 jwr
520 mightyquin
516 robwhy
516 origami
515 ella
512 idicyidikat
511 donnasc6dogs
510 osuracnaes
509 o2baflyndog
505 Yosh
498 EssV2
497 Sundaegrl
496 Nana5
496 irishlady
492 GrandmaS
492 Barby
490 Q
487 KenTropic
486 sciencegeek
485 smaller
485 Baruth
484 nava
483 xeiluj
482 tickymong
481 kueenbee
479 hmgames
475 mehdc
473 SeaSpray
472 mummy
468 bookgrrl
462 speedfreak
460 corkee
458 aWolf
456 Sophie512
455 Gabs
454 CES222
448 ann
447 zTink
445 tinkerbelle
438 Sip
434 Geep
433 smooze
429 Rainiqui
428 10s Gu
428 craftylady
426 kathy sue
426 jbp
424 LonnieC
421 JustMe2252
421 Kitensplay
415 little mim
408 lynnet
400 a1axelady1982
396 piggys_rule123
388 tmeses
388 gingentle
388 Aaronitor
387 Textex
385 Shephard
384 no_zimmer
377 mirandlyn
375 therealblah
370 Glantarell
364 lawyer1
360 ChloeKat
358 BabaDoook
355 Mr. Robot
352 lara68
350 HockeyNut
348 Colhad45
342 PeggySue21
340 Simmie
339 mom23
339 Good Enough
338 olivia.abby.ruby
337 nellebean
336 The_Mad_Egyptian
333 mooz
330 bonko
330 cookiepelli
328 JJ
327 Dog Fan
326 msg
326 Jivingjenny0
324 nursegladys
317 heemshowlive
314 Gobble1
314 Sugarblues
313 wesnurse
304 tceicher
301 roundabout
300 ajsb
281 melody17
279 mabaker8
276 cjmomma
276 disneyjessi
273 JaxH66
273 fla
272 athena
269 webatx
266 ginnie
264 iiosefi
261 nadav
260 Stephanaki
259 emusing
258 BLouie
257 greenery
252 bcguy
248 Vonnie1952
245 amelu0218
242 anus
237 Mandy44
237 stidgmere
227 frogface
226 mom82637
223 sallyann
219 tsatch
213 annevans
211 Mapella
210 Elle n
207 cduncan1975
206 Torgo
205 princessofburund
204 MPittore
202 oregonmarki
200 pbc
198 GreeceGirls
191 Lib
181 ToToTootsie
179 mery9419
178 bepotter
165 laurielou
153 diann
149 Mubner
145 PherceNunly
144 winobu
140 Christa
137 Marjetta
136 #1
136 rowlie45
125 moule
118 grannyg
116 donnab3012
111 Doll414
109 TQ
99 Plebian
93 janeybird
92 NannyChris
88 sillybunny84
87 rebeccs
87 raane
81 charliesmomuk
76 Biltong
74 DLH1955
72 JoyOh
72 Persephacus
71 TXZinnia
56 wenren
47 moshemoo
45 Cube
42 Historyjo
30 sarah6girls
22 Jen
17 gdine
14 PinkHatClub
6 GeekMan

ENTIRE CHAT LOG

12:03 am
grannyrose

eo 7
12:09 am
justafreep

wow. that's a heckuva first call of the night!
12:10 am
grannyrose

lol... just keeping you on your toes. hey freep
12:10 am
justafreep

howdy
12:11 am
NANCY

never saw that word in my life
12:11 am
justafreep

I would not have found that word. But it is fabulous.
12:11 am
cybernan

still don't see it
12:11 am
cybernan

hi everyone
12:11 am
m9f9l

hello all. Yeah, that's a wild one
12:12 am
justafreep

he7
12:15 am
justafreep

huh. ribeye is not one word, apparently.
12:15 am
ursh

morning all - bo 7
12:19 am
cybernan

re 7
12:24 am
justafreep

ep7 x 2 (to try and keep grannyrose on her toes)
12:24 am
grannyrose

loll
12:24 am
Rainiqui

be 7
12:24 am
grannyrose

got my pointe shoes on today.
12:25 am
dcseain

thanks, both those ep7s make sense :)
12:25 am
grannyrose

hmffff.... and your point is dcs??
12:26 am
mkg

Not seeing the epwords. Darn.
12:26 am
dcseain

it was helpful that both were mentioned, and happed to intersect my background.
12:32 am
licketySplitAUS

Clues are up
12:33 am
justafreep

thanks, lickety
12:34 am
cybernan

not seeing the eo nor the ep's, but crashing. Good night everyoe :)
12:34 am
justafreep

night, nan
12:34 am
grannyrose

sweet dreams nan
12:38 am
justafreep

there are two New York Yankee former managers in the grid tonight (for anyone playing name that baseball proper noun)....
12:43 am
rastapopolous

oh come on - it won't take ribeye?
12:46 am
Rainiqui

nbt, nbs, em 9
12:49 am
justafreep

you mean 8?
12:49 am
justafreep

and yeah, rasta. I was bummed
12:56 am
Rainiqui

Yes, I meant 8 - my cat jumped on my keyboard.
12:58 am
justafreep

I am seeing phantoms only at this point (repertoire! ephemera! tremble!) so think I should probably call it a nigh....
12:59 am
Rainiqui

you mean night ?
1:00 am
justafreep

That, too. Or ni9, as we will call it at this moment
1:01 am
Rainiqui

LOL
1:01 am
justafreep

And thanks for the 8!
1:01 am
Rainiqui

yer welcome
1:54 am
Colhad45

Gidday from Australia
3:40 am
marigold

me
5:25 am
ItalianGreyhound

that bottom E is gonna be a problem
6:28 am
aslindy

hello all
6:34 am
SamanthaJoy

Backatcha, lindy
6:34 am
aslindy

hi, how's it going?
6:34 am
MollyL

Hi Lindy
6:35 am
aslindy

hi molly!
6:37 am
SamanthaJoy

I'm tiiiiiiired, and I think I bit off more than I can chew when I started this grid
7:42 am
mael

name that fictional vet in the grid
7:42 am
saanichcat

herriot
7:42 am
mael

ding ding ding
7:44 am
saanichcat

I just reread one of the books, they are very comforting. the TV series is incredible
7:44 am
mael

I only watched a few episodes, I need to pick it back up
7:45 am
mael

I loved those books as a kid, I've read all of them so many times
7:46 am
saanichcat

my copies are bound by rubber bands! Do you know where the whole TV series can be found? thanks
7:47 am
mael

I was watching it through a streaming service, I forget which one.
7:47 am
mael

it's on PBS in the US, don't know about Canada
7:49 am
saanichcat

oh thank you. Unfortunately C. lists so small. cancelled netflix and now watchind Acorn
7:50 am
saanichcat

Acorn has the British, Australian And BZ material, excellent
7:51 am
saanichcat

darn typs NZ
7:51 am
mael

wonderful!
7:51 am
saanichcat

selled typos wrong LOL
7:52 am
saanichcat

aggh, going back to grid
7:52 am
mael

berme
7:52 am
MollyL

That's a sure sign it's time for more coffee
7:53 am
mael

darn it, sorry
7:53 am
saanichcat

too right molly
7:54 am
MollyL

And since it's playoffs Sunday, go 49.ers!
7:56 am
mael

ohh found the 8
7:58 am
MollyL

Weird word. That whole tile is weird words, except one
7:58 am
saanichcat

well done, odd word
7:58 am
mael

those are not too strange, at least in academia
7:59 am
mael

but I'm missing 5 es from down there so I bet you're right about the rest
7:59 am
mael

and my phantom is ephemera
7:59 am
saanichcat

that's true
8:00 am
mael

ohh, found some greeks too
8:00 am
MollyL

well the ep words are strange to me
8:01 am
mael

never mind, all the rest are greek boys lol
8:02 am
mael

tile gray, thanks to my love of ancient Greece
8:02 am
saanichcat

Classics at University helps
8:03 am
mael

I took a few courses too, and I was studying archeology when I was in University in Italy before moving to the US :)
8:03 am
MollyL

Indiana mael
8:03 am
saanichcat

how interesting!
8:04 am
mael

alas, our one trip to the Etruscan dig sites they made the freshies sleep outside so the thieves wouldn't come and snatch any artifacts
8:04 am
mael

less Indiana Jones and more cold and damp
8:05 am
saanichcat

still happens, in spite of new security
8:06 am
MollyL

Because that is such an appealing environment 😊
8:06 am
saanichcat

money money for the thieves though
8:16 am
mael

6 left
8:18 am
saanichcat

72 here. way to go mael
8:20 am
mael

FW!
8:21 am
mael

fun one today
8:21 am
saanichcat

congrats!
8:21 am
hokie carla

are we having fun yet? not me
8:26 am
MollyL

This grid sucks
8:28 am
hokie carla

I am inclined to agree
8:28 am
saanichcat

getting to the sloggy time here, takingMolly's abvice for coffee
8:30 am
MollyL

I guess it's fun for the word wizards who are fluent in Greek
8:32 am
MollyL

Name that shampoo brand
8:32 am
BzznBea

prell
8:33 am
MollyL

Ding! Bea wins a lifetime supply of green shampoo
8:34 am
BzznBea

I can still smell that stuff.
8:34 am
hokie carla

yes, knowing those bottom e's are greek does nothing for me. you could say it's all greek to me.
8:35 am
saanichcat

greek boys
8:36 am
saanichcat

not that it helps much.....
8:36 am
MollyL

Carla, I had to look most of them up
8:38 am
BzznBea

In what world is ribeye not excepted? That's just nonsense.
8:38 am
hokie carla

it is excepted
8:39 am
BzznBea

Not in enable
8:39 am
MollyL

Merriam Webster lists it as two words
8:40 am
MollyL

I got your joke, Carla 😊
8:41 am
hokie carla

thank you, molly🤣
8:42 am
hokie carla

btw, ribeye is my fave
8:42 am
BzznBea

Mine too.
8:43 am
BzznBea

I have two rib roasts in the freezer just waiting for the right occasion.
8:44 am
HarryHood

soberon: the king in a dry shakespeare comedy
8:45 am
hokie carla

was just thinking about accepted/excepted. weird how they sound the same but are kinda opposites.
8:45 am
hokie carla

classic english weirdness
8:49 am
hokie carla

physio no good, even though that's what the rest of the world calls a phyiscal therapist.
8:49 am
HarryHood

I've never called a PT a physio
8:50 am
hokie carla

that's why I said the rest of the world (not US)
8:50 am
hokie carla

if you watch international sports like soccer and tennis, you hear it a lot.
8:53 am
BzznBea

Carla, my mom has been having vertigo. She is starting PT next week.
8:54 am
penquis

good morning all....
8:54 am
BzznBea

hey, pen
8:55 am
hokie carla

ugh, glad you have found a PT for it.
8:55 am
hokie carla

pen!
8:56 am
penquis

Carla!....hi Bea...
8:57 am
hokie carla

I just got back from a few days at my mom's. she fell the other day and then has been really sick from a UTI. going back tomorrow night for a few more days.
8:58 am
penquis

that's too bad....it's nice that you can spend time with her....
8:59 am
hokie carla

my brothers both live nearby but they both have jobs. one of them has been able to work from home a lot.
9:00 am
penquis

well it's good that she has family around...
9:01 am
hokie carla

yep
9:01 am
HarryHood

ah I see.
9:02 am
HarryHood

I though you meant "rest of the world" other than enable
9:03 am
mkg

Hi all. Any clues for the 8?
9:03 am
penquis

just got here...
9:04 am
hokie carla

no idea, though I think it might be EP from the bottom.
9:04 am
mkg

It is em from bottom for sure. But otherwise i am not seeing it.
9:04 am
hydra

It's an em, and I'm trying hard to think of a clue!
9:05 am
mkg

If the S were in a different place there are a dozen words but i am stumped.
9:05 am
hydra

Half of what you file your nails with, plus Ms Ora
9:06 am
hokie carla

thanks, hydra. got it.
9:06 am
mkg

Who is ms ora?
9:06 am
hokie carla

ms. moreno for you older people
9:06 am
hydra

That's the 8. Add a vowel for the 9
9:06 am
mkg

No 9
9:06 am
ChampFit

There isn't a 9
9:06 am
HarryHood

was her maiden name ora?
9:06 am
penquis

i got the 7 and 8 from that clue...
9:06 am
hydra

Sorry, I mean 7 and 8.
9:06 am
mkg

Moreno?????chikita moreno?
9:06 am
HarryHood

or her new name?
9:07 am
penquis

think of Broadway's Ms. Moreno....
9:07 am
hydra

Actress ---- Tushingham
9:07 am
HarryHood

why ora though?
9:07 am
hokie carla

ora is a current pop singer, not related to moreno
9:07 am
penquis

that is a last name in Hydra's clue...
9:07 am
hokie carla

same first name
9:07 am
hydra

---- Ora is a singer/songwriter
9:07 am
mkg

Got it. Ty.
9:07 am
HarryHood

got it. googled it. sorry - I'm ignorant of current music
9:08 am
penquis

same here... i googled as well....
9:08 am
mkg

got the 7 and 8. What is that word? Never saw it before. Ty
9:08 am
HarryHood

we had ices in new haven with that name
9:08 am
ChampFit

Thx!
9:08 am
mkg

I googled too.
9:08 am
hokie carla

that's why I gave an alt one, harry, for old people like you😜
9:08 am
mkg

Latin plural. Weird word.
9:08 am
HarryHood

yes - moreno worked.
9:08 am
hokie carla

you've never seen a professor em*? they keep the title of professor even after retiring
9:09 am
mkg

I believe it refers to several. Such as the UAE which is a country.
9:09 am
hokie carla

that is a chain of ices, one of my soccer friends owned one in charlotte
9:09 am
HarryHood

they had some pretty wacky flavors
9:09 am
penquis

the 7 refers to a woman....
9:10 am
hokie carla

and no the E in UAE is for emirates
9:10 am
mkg

Off to brunch
9:11 am
HarryHood

brunch!
9:11 am
HarryHood

breakfast burritos?
9:11 am
BzznBea

UAE is Emirates. sigh
9:15 am
HarryHood

my daughter made pancakes this morning in the shape of hearts and bears
9:15 am
penquis

how cute is that!....
9:16 am
hokie carla

yum
9:17 am
ChampFit

Apparently Tyson chicken has heart shaped nuggets out now.
9:18 am
penquis

how not cute is that!... ;o)
9:18 am
BzznBea

They have dino ones
9:18 am
ChampFit

Kids would love them, but...ick.
9:19 am
hokie carla

my kids used to love another brand of dino nuggets
9:19 am
BzznBea

I'm a closet nugget eater.
9:19 am
hokie carla

I occasionally buy gluten free nuggets when I can't find tenders.
9:22 am
hurshy

is that top corner E word ea, ei, or eo?
9:22 am
ChampFit

eo7 and I've never seen it before. Read the chat and went straight to morewords.
9:22 am
hurshy

ok thanks
9:23 am
penquis

ooh....just monkeyed that....never seen it before either....
9:23 am
penquis

hypothetical chemical term.....right....
9:23 am
ChampFit

My monkeys never would've found that.
9:24 am
penquis

sometimes i get lucky.... ;o)
9:24 am
penquis

sometimes not... ;o)
9:24 am
ChampFit

;)
9:24 am
hurshy

well it's always a good day to learn something!
9:25 am
hurshy

phantom: obtain
9:26 am
Kaplan the Magne

Ethnic slurs once again allowed in grid. Dr. God should switch to a new dictionary.
9:27 am
hurshy

dictionaries describe what words exist. they don't condone them, they just list them.
9:28 am
hokie carla

what slurs? haven't seen any yet. and is there a free word list they are all removed from that he could switch to?
9:30 am
ChampFit

I see one, but the first meaning that comes up isn't the slur. It's a type of tree or shrub.
9:30 am
hurshy

name that proper noun! singer who, a meme tells me, lives alone in a castle with her cats
9:30 am
Kaplan the Magne

Enable is not a complete compendium of that words exist. But it validates miogynistic and ethnic slurs if they were valid words. In this case he4 and plural.
9:31 am
ChampFit

It's a goofy word list. We all seem to be in agreement on that.
9:33 am
Kaplan the Magne

It often allows cu4 and tw4. I don't know another meaning for cu4.
9:33 am
Kaplan the Magne

Champfit, good to know.
9:35 am
Kaplan the Magne

A professor has been disciplined for using a word that means stingy, but sounds like a racist word. So a legitimate word can not be used.
9:35 am
Kaplan the Magne

My point being I have no point
9:35 am
hurshy

they are words. they exist. the other day some other word game told me "shit is not a word." well that's absurd. clearly, shit IS a word. the fact that humans are sometimes awful to each other in words is awful. but trying to pretend they don't exist doesn't really help anything, any more than trying to pretend founders of the US didn't own other people and abuse them. enable is indeed goofy, but in general, i just don't believe that dictionaries "validate" the words they include. all they do is tell us that people use those words. do you think anyone would be stopped from using them if they were omitted from the dictionary?
9:36 am
hokie carla

I've never heard of he4. and it always allows cu4 and tw4, not just often. it doesn't pick and choose when it allows words. if it's on the list and in the grid, it is allowed. not saying I agree with what words are on the list, because I definitely don't agree with inclusions and exclusions all the time, but that's how the word list works with this website.
9:36 am
Kaplan the Magne

I meant always.
9:38 am
hokie carla

also, I recently heard that USC is not allowing the word "field" anymore because it's offensive to black people. WTAF? field is a legit word and all kinds of people have worked in fields over the years. my parents both worked in tobacco fields when they were young. how can you just decide that?
9:41 am
LuvWordGames

and what do you do if field is part of your name?
9:41 am
hokie carla

or your whole name
9:41 am
hurshy

it would be interesting to know what the events were that led to that decision, hokie
9:41 am
hokie carla

I guess you're screwed
9:41 am
LuvWordGames

that's the problem, it's a slippery slope
9:42 am
hurshy

i believe they are just not allowing it in the meaning of like "physics is my field".
9:42 am
hokie carla

yeah, I don't know. I just don't get how a legit word without being in an offensive context can be deemed offensive.
9:43 am
Kaplan the Magne

If the n word showed up in a grid, would that be OK? Rhetorical question. I am pretty sure it's not in Enable. It's a big jump from being annoyed about he4 and others like it to pretending that the founders owned slaves. Who said that? I just commented that I was uncomfortable with the word. I am glad to know it has another meaning. But you all are taking it way too far. The "field" argument is a logical fallacy -the one about taking an idea to its extreme. You can tell me usefully that he4 means something else. Using logical fallacies to make your point is not valid. The Slippery Slope Fallacy is another logical fallacy often used (if you can Mary a same sex partner, the next step is to marry your dog." That is what the "field" fallacy is.
9:44 am
hurshy

i believe that we have indeed had the n word in the grid and it does count. "negro", however, does not. that's the part that makes enable weird and goofy.
9:45 am
hurshy

kap, i was just mentioning the thing about slaves because SC has a proposed bill that schools would not be allowed to mention that George Washington owned slaves.
9:45 am
hokie carla

I think Negro is capitalized and that's the enable difference.
9:45 am
Kaplan the Magne

The last time I complained about this issue was seeing "jew" used as a verb. Someone argued that there was nothing wrong with implying that Jews are slippery about money. He4 is not as bad as to "hew" somebody.
9:47 am
hurshy

USING the word is certainly bad. having it in a dictionary is not. that is the extent of my viewpoint. i don't use any of these words, and i basically don't use profanity either. the only point i, personally, was trying to make is that i do not think dictionaries validate words.
9:47 am
Kaplan the Magne

Jew somebody. OK harsh, I get it. When I hear he4 I think of Archie Bunker, because that was one of his favorite words.
9:47 am
hurshy

i don't even know which he4 word you mean - it must be a slur i've never heard
9:48 am
ChampFit

Oh my gosh, that takes me back, Kap!
9:48 am
hurshy

lol
9:49 am
ChampFit

That may be the last time I heard that word used, actually.
9:49 am
Kaplan the Magne

The n word that can't be used in an academic setting any more is niggardly. Not knowing what words mean is dangerous. If I had looked up he4 and seen it was a plant, I would not have reacted.
9:49 am
hokie carla

I have literally never heard of he4. I don't even know how it would be pronounced. I click on it and am told it is a bush. so I'm supposed to feel bad about entering it in a game?
9:50 am
ChampFit

Long e sound.
9:51 am
ChampFit

BBL for last 17.
9:52 am
hokie carla

nice job, still 49 left here. about to get ready for a bike ride in case I disappear...
9:52 am
Kaplan the Magne

Do dictionaries validate words? The dictionary is assumed to be impartial. It includes words like "sext" and many tech words. Your right about the validation part. But the other document that claims to have valid terminology is the Bible of Psychiatry, the DSM. It changes meanings and diagnoses every few years, thus validating the subjectivity.
9:52 am
hurshy

lol, that's a whole other kettle of fish
9:53 am
hurshy

i don't think there needs to be any correlation between one's views on dictionaries and one's views on the DSM
9:53 am
saanichcat

unfortunately morewords is merely a list, not a dictionary. Major difference.
9:54 am
Kaplan the Magne

I'm not arguing with you- I'm thinking about it. I think if an historically offensive word has a completely different meaning (shrubbery) then I learn something.
9:55 am
hurshy

yeah, i think that none of us is speaking in a spirit of anger with each other, we're all thinking :)
9:55 am
Kaplan the Magne

Would you use the word "niggardly" in a classroom?
9:56 am
sammysmom

morning all
9:56 am
Kaplan the Magne

That's new for us, hurst.
9:56 am
sammysmom

was reading over the chat and saw a
9:57 am
hokie carla

niggardly has a completely different meaning unrelated to the n word. but I guess we have to dumb down america and assume people don't know the actual meaning.
9:57 am
hurshy

i like to explain things to kids, so, if it somehow came up, i would tell them the word exists and what it means, and have a discussion about the fascinating psychology behind the fact that while i know, and have always known, the meaning of niggardly, even i would probably choose to employ a synonym instead because the sound of the word does make me feel a bit uncomfortable.
9:57 am
Kaplan the Magne

Would you use "Benjamins" knowing that although it refers to 100 dollar bills but sounds like Jews and money? (Ilan Omar.)
9:58 am
saanichcat

hope it never comes to dumbing down carla
9:58 am
hurshy

well... personally i have never even seen a 100 dollar bill, much less had conversations about them
9:58 am
hurshy

lol
9:59 am
hokie carla

yes, because Benjamin Franklin is on the 100 and that's where it came from. would never associate that with Jews.
9:59 am
hurshy

but again, what i would USE in a sentence, and what i would list in a dictionary, are not the same list of words.
9:59 am
saanichcat

me neither carla
10:00 am
Kaplan the Magne

And yes, we have lost a good 19th century literary word for stinginess because of it's "sounds like." I don't know if "jew's harp" or Wandering Jew as a plant is slur.
10:01 am
hokie carla

good question on the last 2. I assume they are but don't know the origins.
10:01 am
Kaplan the Magne

When Ilan Omar said "It's all about the Benjamins" the more right wing tear of my tribe jumped on her as an anti-semite. To me, her only mistake was she didn't know.
10:02 am
Kaplan the Magne

She was talking about Israel I Congress, as a new member of the supposed "squad."
10:02 am
sammysmom

sometjhing aout slurs.i am a caucasion female raised in maine. when i was a child , iremember my father telling me not to discuss hy heritage with my schoolmates. great grampa was from scotland -great grammy was from england and they both had been caled nasty names for ofne reason or another.
10:02 am
hurshy

i think, though, that if one didn't know, and then one finds out, that someone else has a negative association, it's not a bad thing to have some element of "well it may not bother me, but if it bothers you, i care more about you than about using a particular word"
10:03 am
hokie carla

was benjamin franklin jewish?
10:03 am
hurshy

i don't think so
10:03 am
Kaplan the Magne

You're totally on point about dictionaries. Also sensitivities on the rise as my lovely country sees more hate crimes, and something like 37 mass shootiings in 2023.
10:04 am
hokie carla

I don't get the $100 thing at all then
10:05 am
Kaplan the Magne

No Franklin wasn't Jewish, but foolish people could only imagine that because it is a Jewish/Hebrew name, she was an anti-Semite. Benjamin Netanyahu for example.
10:05 am
hurshy

oh btw i'm not actually irish, i'm in the US also. my flag is aspirational.
10:06 am
Kaplan the Magne

His picture is on the 100 dollar bill. I think. I don't see those often either. We could also argue about Uncle Ben's rice, but that's another racial category.
10:06 am
hokie carla

people can imagine a lot of things. I don't get it. my son is named benjamin.
10:07 am
Kaplan the Magne

Rep. Omar was in some debate about the Middle East.
10:07 am
hokie carla

now you're telling me uncle ben is jewish?😜
10:07 am
hurshy

well i can see where in a debate about the middle east, there would be a need to exercise more care
10:08 am
saanichcat

about a person's name?
10:08 am
Kaplan the Magne

By the way, I'm a lefty descendant of two socialist grandfathers (One founded the Progressive stage society in the early 1900s) so I am not saying I advocate censorship.
10:09 am
Kaplan the Magne

Certain names, like Abe, Benny, Irving...
10:09 am
Kaplan the Magne

The only Republican in my family is my ultra-Orthodox nephew, who lives in a separatist Orthodox community.
10:10 am
hurshy

if in a context within the US, about US politicians, one said "it's all about the Benjamins", one would be less likely to be misconstrued due to the audience and context. if in a debate about the middle east, esp if the audience includes many people not familiar with the slang of Benjamins as $100 US currency, you can see how that could be a source of misunderstanding.
10:11 am
hurshy

any time you engage in communication, the more differences there are between the people involved, the more care is needed to avoid miscommunication.
10:11 am
sammysmom

my grandfather was a passamaquoddy indian and gram was ostracised because she married him. we have a marvelous "blended" family- and today if anyone ever says anything nasty about my "nigger" grandchildren ( muy daughter married a black man ) or my kike grandchikldren- no 3 daughter married a Jewish man or my "bastard grand daughter- No 2 daughter didn t marry the loveof herlife we pay no attention.my son has been slurred because he is in his 50's and didnot marry...it is none of anyone's business that the love of his life died from complications of diabetis when he was in his 30's
10:12 am
aebmusica

hy6......clue please
10:12 am
Kaplan the Magne

How immigrants changed their names- Isaac or Itzhak became Ira, Moshe became Morris became Maurise. Solomon became Sumner. These names were all 20th century assimilations names. I am writing about this because I am actually writing a chap book about this.
10:13 am
Kaplan the Magne

Wow, Sammy's mom, that is quite a testimony.
10:14 am
hokie carla

no idea on hy6 but I found hy5, thanks
10:14 am
hurshy

ditto re: hy words
10:14 am
Kaplan the Magne

I always joke that you're not Jewish if you don't have a cousin Ira. Score more points if he is from New Jersey. And bonus if he is a dentist. Sorry- watching a lot of re-runs of the Nanny.
10:14 am
saanichcat

I don't think I have this right...are you saying because of over-sensitivity we should not name our child Ben? I fully understand what you all of you are saying, except for this. It's similar to the word 'gay' which one has to walk around also. Kaplan please let us know when your work is finished!
10:15 am
sammysmom

my family has lots of friends and any and all are welcome here and if someone is offfended by are family or friends, they do not have to come here
10:15 am
Kaplan the Magne

Hy the laughing.
10:15 am
hurshy

i don't think anyone is saying that people should not name their child Ben! lol
10:15 am
saanichcat

sammy what a wonderful blend, lucky you
10:16 am
aebmusica

hy6.....anyone?
10:16 am
penquis

sorry, aeb....don't have it yet...
10:16 am
hokie carla

phantom hyphen
10:17 am
aebmusica

ty for responding pen
10:17 am
Kaplan the Magne

Definitely I am not saying the absurd part of what you are suggesting. And I am not offended by any of you. I was educated on the fact that he4 has a benign meaning. I take much more offense when I see "cunt" in the grid.
10:17 am
hokie carla

hey, I responded 3 min ago!
10:18 am
hurshy

and i dittoed hokie's response!
10:18 am
hokie carla

and I did try hyenae as I'm sure you all did JIC
10:18 am
aebmusica

yes and thank youall
10:19 am
aebmusica

but still need the hy6
10:19 am
sammysmom

yes san -we have almost evry race and creed in our family and celebrate them all, and my sister and herhusband have the same- they adopted nine 9yes (9) children aand have raised a huge and wonderful family.
10:19 am
hurshy

i did too, even though i knew it was unlikely that hyena was latin, lol
10:19 am
hokie carla

same
10:19 am
Kaplan the Magne

The over-sensitivity and the racism was accusing Omar of being anti-Semitic because of her use of "Benjamins" for money. It was a segment of My People that took it to extremes. It is always a good strategy of a repressive government to pit the underdogs against each other.
10:20 am
cybernan

good morning everyone - me too :D
10:20 am
penquis

aeb...found it....ends with a form of the verb to be....
10:20 am
penquis

hi nan....
10:20 am
hurshy

well i mean when you jump to blame and accusation rather than reaching out to someone gently and saying, "i'm sure you didn't mean any offense, but to us, this has this association"... that's a problem in itself.
10:21 am
saanichcat

tyvm penq
10:21 am
penquis

yw...
10:21 am
Kaplan the Magne

I appreciate the thoughtful part of this discussion, which was all of you. It so easily turns into fights. The funny part is that I have aged out of the he4 word having any meaning, though it cold come back.
10:21 am
Kaplan the Magne

Hursh, did I do that?
10:22 am
hurshy

no, whoever is blaming Ilhan Omar, it sounds like they did that
10:22 am
Kaplan the Magne

I think all I did was say there was another ethnic slur in the grid. There is often an anti-Italian one in the grid.
10:23 am
penquis

going to get some lunch....bbl...bye all...
10:23 am
Kaplan the Magne

Hursh, no- it was the right-wig faction of the community. Look up Sheldon Adelstein, or Adelman, .
10:23 am
hurshy

no i'm just saying there is a cultural problem, out in the world, kaplan. not here in the chat. :)
10:25 am
Kaplan the Magne

I got you Hursh. My reaction is sort of funny then. I use a 1970s television show to back up my argument. "Boy the way Glenn Miller played..."
10:26 am
Kaplan the Magne

I watch a lot of 1950s game shows to chill out, my favorites being What's My Line and To Tell the Truth so it could be argued that I am not in the current real world.
10:26 am
hurshy

do you like the 100,000 Pyramid
10:27 am
hurshy

that is my favorite game, as a game
10:27 am
Kaplan the Magne

I do not like the 21st century. We are almost a quarter of a way into it. I do not like 2023. I do not like it in a tree. I do not like it here or there. I do not like it anywhere.
10:28 am
hurshy

but Kap, there are good things about it and bad things about it, just like there have been in every other time.
10:28 am
Kaplan the Magne

I don't know that one. My other favorite is seeing Betty White with Allan Ludden on Password. I live in the past these days.
10:30 am
Kaplan the Magne

I prefer a year that starts with 19. Even though it was a terrible century, I feel like we are living a futuristic fantasy. The only thing we don't have from the Jetsons is our own flying cars.
10:30 am
Kaplan the Magne

Oh, I know, Hursh.
10:32 am
hurshy

i taught in a 21st century 4th and 5th grade class that was racially diverse, and those kids hadn't a single thought about the different colors of their skin or where everyone was from. that's a beautiful 21st century thing. i showed them MLK's "I Have a Dream Speech" and i got choked up as a looked at them and told them, "You guys are his dream."
10:32 am
Kaplan the Magne

I don't know the 100,000 pyramid.
10:33 am
Kaplan the Magne

Hursh, that's beautiful. But the other side of it is how people use MLK's words against him. "I don't see color," they say. Oh yes they do.
10:34 am
aebmusica

I must be very dense...I cannot find hy6 even with pens clue.....?
10:34 am
hurshy

hy + circumcision ceremony
10:36 am
aebmusica

tyvm brushy....never thought to go to the "b"
10:36 am
cybernan

a tea rose or maybe a tulip carefully propagated could be called a hy 6 --- change last letter
10:37 am
aebmusica

Ive only seen it spelled with a "u".
10:37 am
cybernan

there was an eo 7 called last night -- does anyone have a clue for it please>
10:37 am
hurshy

it's because in greek it's upsilon, and it gets put into English in two different ways. like that's why we have a Uterus but if it is removed that's a hYsterectomy
10:38 am
aebmusica

gotcha
10:40 am
BzznBea

eo + short for story of one's life + ending of most contractions
10:41 am
BzznBea

or eo + bi5.14
10:41 am
cybernan

ty bea - what a word -- how on earth did anyone find it right off the bat last night
10:42 am
cybernan

just looked up the def --- must have a few biologists here
10:44 am
hurshy

drat these P words
10:46 am
cybernan

have all but 4 and so far they are words we've had before
10:47 am
hurshy

i need 5
10:47 am
cybernan

I'm struggling with the b words
10:47 am
hurshy

ok i got one more P
10:47 am
hurshy

i need 4 B also
10:48 am
hurshy

i am most tickled by the be7
10:48 am
periwinkle

hi all. help with em 8 please
10:48 am
BzznBea

latin plural of the em7
10:48 am
hurshy

oh, well, i shall need that one also
10:48 am
saanichcat

hi peri, are you wearing your tiara?
10:48 am
periwinkle

looking for em7
10:49 am
BzznBea

ends with Miss Moreno
10:49 am
periwinkle

yes I am :-)
10:49 am
hurshy

oh it's a female retired prof!
10:49 am
periwinkle

ty Bea
10:49 am
BzznBea

yw
10:50 am
saanichcat

great. those diamonds and emerald look lovely on you!
10:50 am
hurshy

phantom: ephemera
10:50 am
cybernan

ty hurshy
10:52 am
ch1212

Good morning from the western U.S. shores. Thanks for all the cluers -- I've been scanning chat as I go, and appreciate the assist.
10:52 am
cybernan

Bea is also wearing a tiara today -- with opals, no less :)
10:53 am
hurshy

well that E is also giving me trouble even with those words found
10:53 am
cybernan

good morning ch1212
10:53 am
periwinkle

my tiara has sapphires
10:53 am
BzznBea

Opals were my grandma's favorite stone.
10:53 am
saanichcat

hi there nan, how goes it? Do you have the freezing weather we have? Plants going nuts.
10:54 am
periwinkle

tough grid for me
10:54 am
cybernan

yes! -10C right now -- glad I didn't go all crazy last week and unwrap the roses
10:55 am
BzznBea

those are the ep words, hursh.
10:55 am
hurshy

i can't tell if it's a tough grid or if i just can't find words during and after interesting and important conversations, lol
10:55 am
saanichcat

one plant still has last years green leaves and is now budding new ones which are getting frozen.
10:56 am
saanichcat

hurshy it is both, all the great conversation and ideas today have slowed me down on the grid for sure. It IS a hard one though.
10:56 am
hurshy

not epee, not epha or ephor, i struggle...
10:57 am
cybernan

it wasn't that warm here, but still in the plusses
10:57 am
BzznBea

young greek men
10:57 am
periwinkle

there are two ep7 words and I do not have either one
10:57 am
cybernan

I still haven't found the ep words called last night
10:57 am
hurshy

ok ty bea
10:57 am
saanichcat

hurshy have you got the greek boys and variations?
10:58 am
hurshy

it is lucky i took greek... didn't remember those words but know the way greek words look, so i could monkey them more easily!
10:58 am
hurshy

so that got me a 6 and two 7s
10:58 am
saanichcat

it is easy
10:58 am
saanichcat

now just change a vowel
10:58 am
cybernan

don't know any greek :(
10:59 am
hurshy

take lisa kudrow's Friends character and make an anagram of it and then tack an i on the end for one 7 and s for the other
10:59 am
cybernan

probably a ph in there somewhere I guess
10:59 am
cybernan

don't watch Friends
10:59 am
hurshy

how many are there of these ep words total? more than my 3?
10:59 am
cybernan

and have no idea who Lisa Kudrow is
10:59 am
hurshy

oh yes, two more, got them
11:00 am
hurshy

ummmmm that was my best clue
11:02 am
hurshy

first ep6 ending rhymes with an older sibling insulting a younger saying "you're such a dw---!"
11:03 am
hurshy

that gets an ordinary plural, and you make the other six by altering the last vowel of the 6 i clued. THEN, you stick ANOTHER vowel into that second six before that last vowel. and THEN, you change the last letter of THAT word for the final 7.
11:04 am
cybernan

you've lost me hurshy -- no idea on the sibling insults -- don't have any
11:04 am
hurshy

our generation gap appears in this instance to be an impassable gulf
11:05 am
hurshy

*weeping*
11:05 am
ch1212

thanks, hurshy! I was working off the wrong e for Lisa's character, but now I've got the 3.
11:05 am
dan2bit

ep6 = ep + male pronoun + existence verb
11:06 am
cybernan

probably -- I would guess you are the same age as my kifs, or maybe my grandkids
11:06 am
Dog Fan

But all generations can use Google .
11:06 am
dan2bit

and then all the variants that hurshy listed
11:06 am
saanichcat

nan have you got the he 4/7? add that to the ep.
11:06 am
ch1212

Nan, google 'Friends Lisa Kudrow'.
11:07 am
saanichcat

he 4/7: cup-bearer to the gods
11:08 am
cybernan

ty dan
11:09 am
dan2bit

yw
11:10 am
cybernan

working on hurshy's variations now
11:11 am
HarryHood

ty dan and hurshy for all those crazy ep words
11:12 am
cybernan

got them all, ty --- there is absolutely no way that any of those words are english!
11:13 am
cybernan

what has happened to this game?!
11:13 am
HarryHood

today's grid is especially far-fetched
11:14 am
MollyL

Out there like Pluto
11:15 am
MollyL

They're Greek
11:15 am
cybernan

off to get some breakfast - bye for now
11:15 am
HarryHood

bye nan!
12:28 pm
moolingwa

this is a tough grid
12:38 pm
bichon

especially the ep's
12:39 pm
moolingwa

yeah, managed to guess a few of those
1:28 pm
ChampFit

This one was a pain in the butt!
1:30 pm
MollyL

Guessed a few of the ep's?
1:35 pm
cybernan

hi again
1:56 pm
cybernan

always forget the british vet.
2:57 pm
HarryHood

what is a british vet?
2:58 pm
HarryHood

Oh I think I got it. he6?
3:15 pm
hokie carla

oh, I don't have an he6. rehi, peoples.
3:16 pm
hokie carla

and I have no idea what a british vet is. are we talking veteran or veterinarian?
3:23 pm
hokie carla

nm. I mean I still don't know which vet but I found the he6 based on early chat.
3:28 pm
periwinkle

help with re7. I do not have the two before it
3:28 pm
periwinkle

I think she means the author, carla
3:28 pm
periwinkle

animal doctor
3:30 pm
hokie carla

yeah, they actually said the name in the chat this morning, so took one letter out and made it a 6. I have never heard of those books.
3:30 pm
periwinkle

nm found them
3:32 pm
MollyL

It's a PBS thing, And Brit books.
3:33 pm
hokie carla

ugh, eagles
3:41 pm
MollyL

If they make it to the Superbowl, I'm not watching
3:42 pm
hokie carla

I usually don't anyway🤣
3:42 pm
hokie carla

or I'll watch the commercials
3:42 pm
MollyL

I can't take The Eagles and Beyonce in one game
3:43 pm
hokie carla

good point
3:43 pm
dcseain

ugh, agreed Molly
3:46 pm
NANCY

Why so much negativity toward the Eagles. Just curious
3:47 pm
hokie carla

I can't speak for everyone but I don't like them
3:48 pm
Sophie512

James Herriot penname for a British vet I would recommend the books
3:51 pm
MollyL

They have the most disgusting fans in the NFL
3:53 pm
NANCY

Oh so its not the team itself you detest, its the fans.
4:04 pm
dcseain

Yeah, Philly fans have made their teams most unwelcome.
4:05 pm
dcseain

to the point that I know the Nationals wont't sell tix in PA, NJ, nor DE when Philly is in town.
4:16 pm
MollyL

I have no love for the team either
5:27 pm
dan2bit

anybody around can give stats for the corner E?
5:28 pm
april98

eo7 = 36
5:30 pm
Shirlockc

can you share a clue too?
5:33 pm
april98

It is a hard word...eo + abbreviation for a science class + common contraction. (there is a clue from earlier that I'm using part of that helped me!)
5:33 pm
dan2bit

that is a weirdo - good clue ty april
5:34 pm
hokie carla

there's also a bi5 in there
5:34 pm
Shirlockc

wow, thx for that clue, would never have gotten it
5:43 pm
dan2bit

so br4 but not br4on ? weird
6:02 pm
hokie carla

I tried that too but think it's probably a proper nooun
6:02 pm
hokie carla

noun even
6:04 pm
dan2bit

probably, but shouldn't the slangier one be also?
6:06 pm
origami

The br4 is also a herd of small whales.
6:06 pm
dan2bit

aha!
6:07 pm
hokie carla

ah, you are right
6:28 pm
NANCY

HOPE to never see those ep words again.
6:29 pm
NANCY

this game used to be fun but now filled with such obscure, useless, probably not even factual, that the game has become a chore and not very much fu.
6:29 pm
NANCY

fun
6:31 pm
Minveryork

Hello to my fellow babblers!How's everyone doing today?
6:31 pm
Minveryork

By the way, congratulations to all the finishers!Way to go
6:40 pm
dan2bit

hiya Min! just finished - thanks lickety and april and all cluers.
6:44 pm
Minveryork

Congrats dan2bit on your fireworks dsiplay!Way to go!🎇
9:04 pm
hurshy

the list has always been the same... other than when we got doc to add "stent"... so i don't see how the fun level could have changed... other than from day to day of course, some grids have more weird words than others...
9:06 pm
moolingwa

10 to go
9:21 pm
moolingwa

this feels like a particularly odd grid
9:31 pm
Minveryork

Go moolingwa go! I have 17 word left, However,I will not finish before I go to bed.Not really digging this one today
10:40 pm
cherlyq

got an x I am headed to bed wont finish started too late